the silence of the ma’ams

Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
(1Ti 2:11-15)

Verse 15 is ESSENTIAL to this passage, yet almost no one ever addresses it. Why is that? Perhaps it is because “revelation” is needed to understand Paul who, according to Peter, wrote “things HARD to be understood.” (2Pe 3:16) So, maybe we should step back for a minute and ponder the fact that it was also Paul who wrote:

For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. (2Cor 5:14-16)

Did you hear that? Paul said we are to know “no man” after the flesh, not even Christ! Paul is not asking anyone to check for a penis when deciding who to follow or who to allow to stand “in Christ’s stead” in the church, which is HIS body.

So, who is this “woman” who Paul said he would not allow to teach? Well, the answer is alluded to IN VERSE 15, the verse that everyone seems to want to ignore because they don’t seem to know what to do with it. It is the woman (who is a “they”) who “shall be saved in childbearing.” In other words, the one who has not YET been “delivered of the child.”  

This isn’t about physical women birthing physical babies.  If you don’t believe me, then believe Paul, who also wrote about his own “travail in birth” in Gal 4:19, wherein Paul was talking about being “delivered of the child,” and having to “put away childish things,” in order to become “a man.”

And if you do not believe A MALE can be “a woman” who needs to be “delivered of the child,” then you might want to take it up with Jesus, as well, who said to his MALE disciples:

Do ye enquire among yourselves of that I said, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me? Verily, verily, I say unto you, That YE SHALL WEEP AND LAMENT, but the world shall rejoice: and YE SHALL BE SORROWFUL, BUT your sorrow shall be turned into joy. >>> A WOMAN,<<< WHEN SHE IS IN TRAVAIL HATH SORROW, BECAUSE HER HOUR IS COME: but >>>AS SOON AS SHE IS DELIVERED OF THE CHILD<<<, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that >>>A MAN<<< is born into the world. [That “man” IS CHRIST “in us”.]  And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you. Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full. These things have I spoken unto you IN PROVERBS: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father. At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you: For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.  (Joh 16:19-28)

Paul wasn’t against women preaching. He was against those who were “still in need of one to teach” them (because they were still on the “milk” of the word) teaching others. Even though he said they “ought to be teachers,” they were still in need of being taught, again, themselves; they were on milk, not meat. (Heb 5:12) That is why he asked (in 1Cor 14, also used against “women”) “What? came the word of God OUT FROM you? or came it UNTO you only?” (1Cor 14:36)

Anyone can pick up a Bible and read it. Anyone can claim to understand what is written. Many even claim the Bible is very easy to understand, that “the Bible says what it means and means what it says.” Most of those same people cannot see beyond “the letter” of passages such as these. So, they simply take and apply them literally, regardless of anything else the scriptures have to say (that would even contradict their very literal interpretation of this passage and the one like it in 1Cor 14) or explain it away somehow.

Some relegate it to Paul’s personal opinion or preference. Some say it only applied to certain women in a certain town. Some say it was just because the women were speaking up too much and too loudly in church because of the seating arrangements. Some say it only applied to the early church, due to the times in which they lived. Lots of reasons or explanations given. But I never see anyone address how Paul used Adam and Eve (the man and the woman) and the marriage relationship to teach much deeper spiritual truths about Christ and the Church and how that factors into passages such as these.  I never see anyone explain verse 15 and what it means that “nevertheless, she shall be saved in childbearing…” Or how the Holy Spirit factors into any of this, as they act as if the Holy Spirit isn’t even needed when it comes to understanding the Bible properly.

And lest you think this is something unique to Paul and the NT, you might want to go back and study Isaiah, Jeremiah and Zechariah some more. It is not “women” (according to the flesh) who are commanded to be silence (didn’t Paul say “as also saith the law”?), it is “all flesh.” (Zec 2:13) [Took me YEARS to see that, so I am certainly not saying that these things are easy to see and understand.]

It is only the voice of Christ, the Bridegroom, the Man that should be going forth into the world (through His body/bride). That can only happen AFTER “Christ” has been formed in us. In other words, Paul would not allow “babes” or “children” (or “women” – those who have not yet been “delivered of the child”) to teach….. which really has nothing to do with whether we have a penis or a vagina.


I’ve posted other studies on this topic before, so keeping this one fairly short.

All Blessings in Christ!

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How does the King of Heaven deal with those who do not forgive?

Image: Dance of Grace by Mark Keathley; http://www.infinityfineart.com/danceofgracebymarkkeathley.php

Reposting an old study:

There’s judgment HERE and we receive INTO our BOSOM these very things. HE’s MERCIFUL and definitely able to reward to someone’s bosom what’s deserved. Surely, He is THE LIVING GOD whose judgments are IN THE EARTH!!

As Jesus said, BE YE ~MERCIFUL~ AS your Heavenly Father IS “Merciful”. That’s what knowing Him and being like Him is, I believe.

I so love this! Executing TRUE Judgment…

Zach 7:9 Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, **Execute** TRUE JUDGMENT, and, and SHEW ~MERCY~ and ~COMPASSIONS~ every man to his brother:

That’s where the “forgiven servant” became the “wicked servant” revealed. They destroy “themselves” after that spiritual truth…

Prov 21:7 The ROBBERY of the wicked shall DESTROY THEM; ***because*** they refuse ~TO DO~ JUDGMENT.

That’s what Zach 7:9 IS; it’s to DO judgment, which IS to “shew mercy” and “compassion” to one’s brother (just as in the parable itself)

Now you can see the same exact “robbery” in the “refusing to do judgment” (regarding mercy) in these words as well…

Psalm 37:21 The wicked **borroweth**, and **payeth NOT** again: but the righteous ****SHEWETH MERCY**, and giveth.

The servant which DID NOT show the MERCY was called to give an ACCOUNT

Mathew 13:32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I FORGAVE THEE all that debt, because THOU desiredst me:

Mathew 18:33 SHOULDEST ~THOU~ ALSO have HAD COMPASSION on thy fellowservant, EVEN AS I had PITY on thee?

He’s not a respecter of persons…

Mathew 6:12 And FORGIVE US our debts,**AS ** WE FORGIVE our debtors. (see that *AS WE* so YOU do to US thing going on there?)

THAT was what He was angry about

Mathew 8:34 And his lord was WROTH, and delivered him to the tormentors, “”TILL”” he should pay all that was due unto him.

Mathew 18:35 So LIKEWISE shall my Heavenly Father ~DO~ ALSO ~UNTO YOU~,  IF ye from ~your hearts~ forgive NOT every one his brother their trespasses

Mal 1:6 A SON honoureth his father, and A SERVANT his MASTERif I be a father, where is my honour? and  ~IF~ I be MASTER, ~WHERE~ is MY FEAR? (if fear is not there, He can give it to you, actually; this goes into “Child/Servant” verses “Sons”)

Being “handed over” to the tormentors is expressed in various ways concerning “torment” in scripture, and chastisement, and in these cases concerning “servants.” For “Perfect love CASTS OUT FEAR,” we know this. The parable shows a “forgiven servant” having no real fear of God (not knowing to “DO judgment” BY “shewing mercy” and “compassion”). I see this showing a picture of being given a FEAR of the Lord. FEAR has TORMENT in itself (It speaks of being handed over to “the tormentors” there).

Now Paul said God hath NOT given us ~~AGAIN~ a “Spirit of Fear.” For it’s by “the Fear of the Lord” one DEPARTS from doing evil ( and FEAR hath TORMENT). The FEAR of the Lord is the **beginning of** wisdom, but it’s not the “end all;” and he that “fears” is simply not made perfect in love. So the FEAR of the Lord might “restrain” one (to depart from evil) but “the LOVE of God” does not yet constrain this one.

There’s a ~debt~ that servant had to pay, as shown in the parable. We are to let NO DEBT remain outstanding but to “love one another.” The one handed over to “the tormentors” is TILL he PAY what is due… “there is no peace to the wicked.” This one will work out his salvation with the cup of fear and trembling (that one does not have to drink again). The “merciful shall obtain mercy,” and to the merciful he shows himself as such. Even as in the parable it’s showing “Judgment without mercy” to one who showed “no mercy” (ie tormentors/torment). Regarding judgment, a “Spirit of judgment” is TO ONE that sitteth in judgment.

Jesus is showing his own disciples how important forgiveness, mercy, and compassion are. Notice it wasn’t the one who trespassed that was held accountable to his lord but the one who did not “forgive his trespass,” and it is to him that he is speaking. If we want forgiveness, we forgive; if we don’t want condemnation, do not condemn; if we don’t want to be judged, judge not. If we desire mercy, be merciful, etc. If we do not (as in the parable), Jesus said, likewise, the Father will do unto us. This parable He spake to His own disciples. If you will represent ME then you must be merciful AS your heavenly Father is merciful.

Jerm 9:24 But let him that glorieth glory IN THIS, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, ~IN THE EARTH~ for in ~these things~ I delight, saith the LORD.

Not all are that kind, faithful, forgiving, loving or merciful (as true Faith works by Love and is merciful, as He is), that’s for sure.

2Thes 3:2 that we may be delivered from ~unreasonable~ and ~wicked men~: for all men ~have not~ faith (faith works BY LOVE)

He recompenses

Isaiah 65:6 Behold, it is written before me: I will ~not~ keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense ~into~ their bosom

Look where they are recompensed

Prov 11:31 ((( Behold ))) the righteous shall be recompensed ~IN THE EARTH~ MUCH MORE the wicked and the sinner

Romans 2:9 TRIBULATION and ANGUISH, ~UPON~ EVERY SOUL OF MAN that doeth EVIL, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

Could Paul discern it?

Gal 5:10 …he that ~troubleth you~ “shall” ” ~BEAR~ his judgment, whosoever he be.

James 2:13 For HE shall **have judgment** WITHOUT MERCY, , that HATH SHEWED NO MERCY; and MERCY **REJOICETH AGAINST** judgment.

Isaiah 28:6 And for a ~SPIRIT OF~ JUDGMENT ~ TO HIM that ***sitteth in*** judgment,

Mathew 7:2 For with what judgment YE judge, YE **shall be** judged: and with what measure YE METE, it shall be MEASURED TO YOU again.

Ecc 8:5 **Whoso** KEEPETH the COMMANDMENT shall FEEL ~NO EVIL~ THING: and a wise man’s heart “discerneth” both time and judgment.

There’s NO PEACE for the wicked because it goes to “these”

We receive the things done in the body

It’s a righteous thing, anguish and tribulation TO THEM

2Titus 1:6 Seeing it is ***a righteous thing*** with God to recompense tribulation **TO THEM** that trouble you

Do all FEEL EVIL?

Romans 2:10 But glory, honour, and PEACE, to every man that **WORKETH GOOD**, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

Same thing

Prov 11:17 The MERCIFUL MAN **DOETH GOOD** to HIS OWN SOUL: but he that ~IS CRUEL~ troubleth **HIS OWN FLESH**

Psalm 7:1 Deliver me, O my Godout of the hand of the wicked, , out of the hand of the unrighteous and CRUEL man.

2Samuel 2:22 With the ~merciful~ thou wilt ~shew thyself~ merciful, and with the upright man thou wilt shew thyself upright.

I wonder what he shows himself as to the “not so merciful”?

Luke 6:36 Be ~YE~ therefore ~merciful~, AS your Heavenly Father ~IS~ merciful. (As HE is so are WE in this world)

Psalm 37:26 He is ever merciful, and lendeth; and his seed is blessed. (blessed are “the merciful” his seed)

The other verse posted “up at the top” says the wicked “borroweth” in relation to mercy as Psalm 37:26 shows he “lendeth” in regards to mercy. The wicked just don’t “pay again” (or show mercy) it’s “that” robbery that destroys them. The “lamp” of the wicked being put out in darkness is the same darkness John speaks of. John uses “death” and “darkness” interchangeably in regards to an inner state (even an abode) where the physically living abide in a state of death.

The wicked show NO MERCY…

Zach 7:9 **Execute** TRUE JUDGMENT, and , and SHEW MERCY and and COMPASSIONS every man to his brother:

Again…

Prov 21:7 **The ROBBERY OF** the wicked shall destroy them; **BECAUSE THEY** ** REFUSE **TO DO** JUDGMENT. (Zach 7:9) which is TO SHEW MERCY

Mat 12:7 But IF YOU HAD KNOWN what this means, I WILL HAVE MERCY, and NOT SACRIFICE, YE would NOT have CONDEMNED THE GUILTLESS.

There’s just TONS on this!! His vengeance and recompense is shown being repaid right INTO one’s bosom (reaping and sowing, and being filled here and now).

That’s why Paul said LEAVE ROOM for WRATH. He pours out his indignation and repays. It says He shall not “meet thee” as A MAN, which agrees with Paul.

His wrath plays a “part” in it that we must give place to. Wrath is another study that could easily be woven into this, too.

Rom 12:19 Dearly beloved, AVENGE NOT **yourselves**, but rather **GIVE PLACE TO** WRATH: for it is written, ((( Vengeance is mine ))) I will REPAY, saith the Lord.

HIM, not ourselves, as David did not by his own hand take vengeance on Saul, and as Abagail stopped David’s hand from avenging himself on Nabal. The LORD, sure enough, took care of Nabal. And an evil Spirit from the Lord vexed Saul. Same with Paul’s comment concerning Alexander the coppersmith doing him much harm; he said “Lord REPAY Him

Isaiah 47:3 I WILL take vengeance, and I WILL ~NOT~ MEET THEE AS A MAN

WHOA!

Romans 2:8 But UNTO THEM that ARE contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, **INDIGNATION** and **WRATH**

He pours it out here…

Ezek 22:31 Therefore have I poured out mine INDIGNATION **UPON THEM**; I have consumed them with THE FIRE OF MY WRATH: their OWN WAY have I recompensed upon their heads, saith the Lord GOD.

He recompenses into one’s bosom, that’s for sure.

Isaiah 65:6 ((( Behold))) it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but WILL RECOMPENSE, , **even recompense** INTO THEIR BOSOM

Now James speaks to them about **blessing** and **cursing** others (cause they were doing BOTH)… He says (and for good reason) brethren, these things OUGHT NOT BE. The judge stands at the door (even of our lips). As I see it, we are MEASURED TO… (as in) what COMES OUT (of our mouth) something ENTERS IN (such as judgment)

An example

Psalm 109:18 As he clothed himself with CURSING like as with his garment, SO **LET IT** COME INTO HIS BOWELS like water, and like oil into his bones.

Proverbs says the power of death and life are “in the tongue” and those who love it will eat the fruit thereof. It also says we are FILLED by the fruit of our own lips. FED with judgment. The tongue defiles the whole body. As our Lord said, it’s not what goes INTO our mouth but what comes OUT OF our mouth which defiles a man. James spoke of us cursing or blessing and how this ought not be.

Jam 3:10-18 Out of ~THE SAME MOUTH~ **~ proceedeth~** **blessing and cursing**. My brethren, ~these things ought not so to be~. Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain ~BOTH~ yield salt water and fresh. Who is ~A WISE MAN~ and ~ENDUED WITH KNOWLEDGE~ among you? let him shew out of **a good conversation** his works with meekness of wisdom. But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, **glory not, and lie not against the truth**. ~**. ~THIS WISDOM~ descendeth ~NOT FROM ABOVE~, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is first **~, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is first **pure**, then **peaceable**, **gentle**, and ***easy to be intreated***, ***full of mercy and good fruits***, ***without partiality***, and ***without hypocrisy***. And ~THE FRUIT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS~ is sown in ~PEACE~ of ***them that make peace***.

Prov 21:7 **The ROBBERY OF** the wicked shall destroy them; **BECAUSE THEY** ** REFUSE **TO DO** JUDGMENT. (Zach 7:9) which is TO SHEW MERCY

All blessings in Christ!

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One Body in Christ

In the dispensation of the fulness of times God gathered together “IN ONE all things IN CHRIST.”

(Eph 1:1-12) Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus: Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the worldthat we should be holy and without blame before him in loveHaving predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sinsaccording to the riches of his grace; Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; Having made known unto us the mystery of his willaccording to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himselfThat in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christboth which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in himIn whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

Creating IN HIMSELF… ONE NEW MAN:

(Eph 2:13-18) But NOW IN CHRIST JESUS ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST. For he is our peace, WHO HATH MADE BOTH ONE, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; FOR TO MAKE IN HIMSELF OF TWAIN ONE NEW MAN, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God IN ONE BODY BY THE CROSS, having slain the enmity thereby: And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

Many will argue that Paul is speaking to and about “believers only,” but what did Jesus say?

(John 12:32) And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, WILL DRAW ALL MEN UNTO ME.

Those same people might agree that Jesus is drawing all men unto himself; however, not all men respond and one must “respond,” and “accept” the free gift, else it is useless to him.

To make that argument we must ignore the fact that Paul said it was “while we were yet sinners” that Christ died for us, reconciling us to God.

(Rom 5:6-21) For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnationeven so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

It is the same “many” who were “made sinners” by the disobedience of ONE MAN, that shall be “made righteous” by the obedience of ONE MAN.

Paul said that our old man was crucified with Christ! He continues….

(Rom 6:1-23) What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrectionKnowing this, that our old man is crucified with himthat the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our LordLet not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obeywhether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Clearly, it is still possible to walk in the lust of the flesh, and to serve the flesh rather than the Spirit. But we are told NOT TO! To reckon that old man DEAD and walk in the Spirit, in the newness OF LIFE, as SONS OF GOD.

Jesus did not say that he would call all men to him and see who responds. He said “And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will DRAW (“helkuō helkō” in the Greek means “to DRAG”) ALL MEN unto me.

He used the same word when he said:

(Joh 6:44) No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me DRAW (drag) him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

This drawing/dragging took place when Christ was crucified and God “gathered together IN ONE all things IN CHRIST.” (Eph 1:10)

This was what Paul was talking about when said: “And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, (IN ONE BODY!!) as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.” (Heb 10:24-25)

Paul repeatedly tried to remind us that we are ALL a part of “the same body.” What he told the Ephesians, he also told the Romans:

(Rom 12:1-5) I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

And the Corinthians:

(1Co 12:1-27) Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led. Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spiritdividing to every man severally as he will. For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one bodyso also is Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. For the body is not one member, but many. If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling? But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. And if they were all one member, where were the body? But now are they many members, yet but one body. And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary: And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness. For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked: That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it. Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

More of his letter to the Ephesians:

(Eph 3:1-21) For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you GentilesIf ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; That the Gentiles should be fellowheirsand of the same bodyand partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; And to make all men seewhat is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of GodAccording to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him. Wherefore I desire that ye faint not at my tribulations for you, which is your glory. For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus ChristOf whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner manThat Christ may dwell in your hearts by faiththat ye, beingrooted and grounded in loveMay be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledgethat ye might be filled with all the fulness of GodNow unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us, Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

This does not address, and is not intended to address, the separation of the sheep from the goats, the obedient from the disobedient, etc. It is to point out that what was accomplished by the cross was accomplished for ALL MEN. And the result was the ONE NEW MAN created in Christ.

As the parables of Jesus show, there was to be A GATHERING TOGETHER before there could be A DIVISION or SEPARATION of “the good from the bad.”

As Jude reminds us:

(Jud 1:1-5) Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called: Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied. Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

I won’t get into the destruction of the wicked here. Just know that the gifts of God are “without repentance” (they are “irrevocable”), according to Paul. And God has concluded ALL in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon ALL.

(Rom 11:25-36) For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mysterylest ye should be wise in your own conceitsthat blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbeliefEven so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercyFor God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon allO the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of Godhow unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?For of him, and through him, and to him, are all thingsto whom be glory for ever. Amen.

If God, therefore, loves EVEN HIS ENEMIES, shouldn’t we?

(2Jn 1:10-11) If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

That “doctrine,” which is “the doctrine of Christ,” is this…. “that we love one another.” (v5)

All blessings in Christ, Lord of all,

Christine

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Women in ministry a look at scriptures

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(A study from 2007)

So… Here’s my ongoing investigative look at “scripture alone” concerning women in ministry, “titles” and how these words are defined. I hope to keep “adding to” what I find as not everything is discussed in this particular study but its pretty extensive thus far.

Here’s a few verses including “women” highlighted in “pink”

Rom 16:7 Salute Andronicus and Juniamy kinsmen, and my fellow prisonerswho are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ ~before me~.

Rom 16:12 Salute Tryphena and Tryphosa, who labour in the Lord. Salute the beloved Persis, which laboured much in the Lord.

1Thes 5:12 we beseech you, brethren, to KNOW ~THEM~ which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;

Rom 16:6 Greet Marywho bestowed much labour on us.

Rom 16:3 Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus

Acts 18:26 And he (Apollosbegan to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heardthey took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.

Heb 6:10 For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of lovewhich ye have shewed toward his name, **in that** ye have ministered (diakoneo) to the saints, and do minister.(diakoneo)

Rom 16:1 I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant (diakonos) of the church which is at Cenchrea: That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.

Starting with PhebeShe was a “servant” (diakonos) I thought to look at this word and how its used in scripture.

The word “Servant,” “Minister,” and “Deacon” are each translated from the exact same word: Diakonos” Part of speech “noun” m/f

Here’s some examples below highlighted in blue where the word is found in scripture

Rom 13:4 For he is a minister (diakonos) of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister (diakonos) of God, an avenger who brings wrath upon the one who practices evil.

Rom 15:8 For I say that Christ has become a servant (diakonos) to the circumcision on behalf of the truth of God to confirm the promises given to the fathers,

Rom 16:1 I commend to you our sister Phebe, who is a servant (diakonos) of the church which is at Cenchrea;

Col 1:7 just as you learned it from Epaphras, our beloved fellow bond-servant (diakonos) who is a faithful servant (diakonos) of Christ on our behalf,

Col 1:23 if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister (diakonos)

Please note: it’s a “stewardship” FROM GOD; it’s BESTOWED upon them FOR OTHERS’ BENEFIT

Col 1:25 Of this Church I *was made* a minister (diakonos) according to the stewardship (( from God )) *bestowed upon me* for ((( your benefit ))) that I might fully carry out the preaching of the word of God,

Col 4:7 As to all my affairs, Tychicus, our beloved brother and faithful servant (diakonos) and fellow bond-servant (diakonos) in the Lord, will bring you information.

1Tim 3:8 Deacons (diakonos) likewise must be men of dignity, not double-tongued, or addicted to much wine or fond of sordid gain,

1Tim 3:12 Let deacons (diakonos) be husbands of only one wife, and good managers of their children and their own households.

1Tim 4:6 In pointing out these things to the brethren, you will be a good servant (diakonos) of Christ Jesus, constantly nourished on the words of the faith and of the sound doctrine which you have been following.

Diakonos part of speech noun

1) one who *executes* ~the commands~ of another (that makes “them” the authority?) esp. of a mastera servantattendantminister a) the servant of a king b) a deacon, one who, by virtue of the office assigned to him by the church, cares for the poor and has charge of and distributes the money collected for their use c) a waiter, one who serves food and drink

The words in the above verses are the same word diakonos.

The same word which applies to “Deacon” in 1Tim 3:12 concerning “a deacon” (diakonos) being the “husband of one wife” is the same word “servant” (diakonos) applied to a woman Phebe in Rom 16:1. Its the same word in Col 1:25 “minister” (diakonos) Paul applies to “himself” and “Who” (by the way) was not married (therefore neither was ‘he’ a ‘husband of one wife’as is prescribed in 1Tim 3:12. Obviously neither Phebe NOR Paul were ‘husbands’

Its application is scripturally applied to both genders

The word “Deacon” (Diakoneo) in both 1Timothy 3:10 & 13 is a verb which root word is “Diakonos” a noun. Just as “the words” might differ as “written” in the first example the same is true of “Diakoneo”. We can find both genders within the verb “Diakoneo”.

Diakoneo (verb)

1) “to be” a servant, attendant, domestic, to serve, wait upon a) to minister unto onerender ministering offices to 1) to be served, minister unto b) to wait at a table and offer food and drink to the guests, 1) of women preparing food c) to minister i.e. supply food and necessities of life 1) to relieve one’s necessities (e.g. by collecting alms), to provide take care of, distribute, the things necessary to sustain life 2) to take care of the poor and the sick, who “administer” the office of “a deacon” 3) in Christian churches to serve as deacons d) to minister 1) to attend to anything, that may serve another’s interests 2) to minister a thing to oneto serve one or by supplying any thing

Here’s a few examples…

Deacon (Diakoneo) a verb in 1Tim 3:10, 3:13showing both men and women… Math 27:5 shows women doing so again with the use of “ministering” (diakoneo), same word John 12:2 applied to “Martha” again who “served” (diakoneo)Rom 15:25 to Paul “to minister” (diakoneo) 2Cr 8:19 in relation to the grace “administered” (diakoneo) Heb 6:10 the labour of love… “ministering” (diakoneo) to the saints. 1Peter 4:10-11 “minister” (diakoneo) with the “ability” shown as a gift” being a “steward” of this “grace” and to “one another.”

To summarize 

Phebe, a woman (in Romans 16:1-2, 16:27) was indeed a “servant” (diakonos), same exact word as “deacon” (diakonos) applied to men who are to be the husband of one wife. It is also the same word for “minister” (diakonos) of which “Paul” who had “no wife”(therefore not “as husband”) who uses this office in regards to “himself”.

Pastors

Concerning “Pastors” the word is equivalent to a “Shepherd”. The common misconception is that scripture speaks of more MEN pastors then it does women. That’s not so at all. I dare you to find one reference to “gender” in regards to it.

The actual word “Pastors” is found “ONCE” in the NT and “shepherd” (as it appears in the NT) is the same.

Here’s the ONE VERSE

Pastors poimen {poy-mane’}

Ephes 4:11 And he gave some (gender neutral) apostles; and some (gender neutral), prophets; and some (gender neutral), evangelists; and some (gender neutral)PASTORS (poimen) and teachers;

Cant tell anything from there.

Here’s the Greek NT definition

Pastors poimen {poy-mane’} 1) a herdsman, esp. a Shepherd a) in the parable, he to whose care and control others have ~committed~ themselves , and whose precepts they follow 2) metaph. a) the presiding officer, manager, director, of any assembly: so of Christ the Head of the church 1) of the overseers of the Christian assemblies 2) of kings and princes

The tasks of a Near Eastern shepherd were:

– to watch for enemies trying to attack the sheep
– to defend the sheep from attackers
 to heal the wounded and sick sheep
– to find and save lost or trapped sheep
– to love them, sharing their lives and so earning their trust.

The “gospels alone” show what good “Pastors” (poimen) do as “the word” itself is synonymous with: “Shepherd” (poimen). Jesus (in the gospels) show what a good “Shepherd” (poimen) does (and namely Himself) who “we” are to “follow”.

Here’s those very verses in the “gospels” Mat 9:36, 25:32, 26:31, Mark 6:34,14:27, Luke 2:8, 2:18, 2:20, John 10:2,10:11-12,10:14, & 10:16,

“Pastors” (poimen) in Eph 4:11 is mentioned only twice elsewhere in “the epistles”. Both times the word is used it’s in reference to Jesus Christ alone as the one “Shepherd” (poimen)

Here’s the two other verses

Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesusthat great Shepherd (poimen) of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

1Peter 2:25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd (poimen) and Bishop of your souls.

That’s all we have in the NT. From these it is not possible to see it applying to one particular gender.

The word “pastors” (poimen) (NT Greek) is equivalent with “Shepherd” (poimen). We need more, but where else can we affirm these things? We can look in the OT (Hebrew). We would then need to find the equivalent of these words there which hold the same balance in regards to the two right?

In the OT the actual word “pastors” is shown “seven times”. That which is in the OT (Hebrew) is as the same in the NT (Greek) equating the two together under the same word Ra`ah from here Jer 2:8, 3:15,10:21,12:10, 22:22,23:1-2 There are 178 other verses you might like to check out (way too many to post here)

Here’s an example

Jer 3:15 And I will give you PASTORS (Ra`ah) according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.

The word “Pastors” is Ra`ah {raw-aw’} …part of speech verb

1) to pasture, tend, graze, feed a) (Qal) 1) to tend, pasture a) to shepherd b) of ruler, teacher (fig) c) of people as flock (fig) d) shepherd, herdsman (subst) 2) to feed, graze a) of cows, sheep etc (literal) b) of idolater, Israel as flock (fig) b) (Hiphil) shepherdshepherdess 2) to associate withbe a friend of (meaning probable) a) (Qal) to associate with b) (Hithpael) to be companions 3) (Piel) to be a special friend

Here we find both the words shepherdess as well as shepherd

Gen 29:9 And while he yet spake with them, Rachel came with her father’s sheep: for she kept (Ra`ah) them.

Someone had brought up that there were no “pastors,” as they were called “priests” in the OT. Then let’s show they are not the same before this argument emerges. Realizing too that those things also were written down “for us” as well and we can draw from them.

Jer 2:8 THE PRIESTS (Kohen) said notWhere is the LORD? and they that handle the law knew me notTHE PASTORS (Ra `ahalso transgressed against me.

Obviously not, the words do differ

Another said… Pastors (being shepherds) means that they only kept literal sheep (as in farm animals).

For us to think God’s ANGER burned against the Shepherds (Pastors) for such a thing is absurd.

Sheep are used as a “similitude,” as Hosea 12:10 confirms. Sheep (or the flock of God confirms even in the NT). They are the same. It’s a picture of people who are His sheep. All they saw was Psalm 106:20  similitude of an OX ( just animals ). and this is what Paul was showing them, confirming the same in 1Cr 9:9-10… “doth God care for oxen“? No, obviously not. Paul said it was for “our sakes” not “animals”.

God was not ANGRY because literal shepherds over ANIMALS were scattering their own animals. That’s crazy.

Back to Phebe, now she is not specifically shown as a “pastor” but as “servant” (diakonos) same word for “deacon” and “minister” (of which Paul was).

But is it a stretch considering the above? I don’t think so at all. Both genders are indeed shown in Pastors in the OT. The NT is silent on it, validating neither male or female, but the Lord Himself, which is not far off from “neither male nor female.” In Christ is it?

Lets look at another part of the verse which applies to Phebe

Rom 16:1-2 I ~commend~ unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant (diakonos) of the church which is at Cenchrea: That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.

Another word you’ll read in relation to Phebe is that she “a succourer” (some bibles have “helper”) either way that specific word means as shown in Strong’s concordance

Succourer “prostatis” 1) a woman set over others 2) a female ~gaurdian~protectress, patroness, caring for the affairs of others and aiding them with her resources

ESword Greek
G4368
προστάτις
prostatis
pros-tat’-is
Feminine of a derivative of G4291;patroness, that is, assistant: – succourer.

G4291
προΐ́στημι
proistēmi
pro-is’-tay-mee
From G4253 and G2476; to stand before, that is, (in rank) to preside, or (by implication) to practise: – maintain, be overrule.

The same word “prostasis” is found in 1Thes 5:12 for “over” and 1Tim 5:17 for “rule.”

1Thes 5:12 we beseech you, brethren, to KNOW THEM which labour among you, and are over (prostasis) you in the Lord, and admonish you;

Rom 16:6 Greet Marywho bestowed much labour on us.

1Tim 5:17 Let the elders (presbuteros) that rule (protasiswell be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.

See below for “elders” (presbuteros) because there are “elder women” (presbuteros) 1Tim 5:1-2

Getting back to the previous thought, a woman can indeed protect (be a protectress) which also implies “defend.”  By definition guarding (or a female guardian). Does not Paul say the same? He said there were women who risked their necks for him.

This (to me) sounds almost identical to the true good “Shepherds” (poimen) or “Pastors” role as is defined by Jesus and in the OT. At the same time, it is descriptive of a “succourer” of which Phebe was. She was a “servant” or “minister” or “deacon” (pick one, as they all mean “diakonos”). She was in heart of those “made so” by the Spirit. A good Shepherd careth for the sheep; it’s the laying down of their lives for the sake of Christ for others. By nature of those things attributed to her it sure sounds very much the same.

It’s a love and care thing not an “authority trip”. If Deacon is thought to be a role of “authority,” having the “final say,” then why does the definition say it’s one who “executes” the commands of “another”?

As I’ve heard, these positions are of “leadership,” so we must “lead” right? But what’s the true definition of “leadership” or “to lead”? Is it not by way of “example”? When did “men” become the head of the church and Christ stop?

When one “leads” it’s not “to ourselves” but “to Christ” even Paul affirms that. He said, “we preach not ourselves but Christ as Lord”. None are to “lord over” (as in “ruling over others”) as Jesus showed to the contrary. What of “leading by way of example”? Being an ensample to the flock. Paul never claimed to “lord over their faith” but even “he” (being a man) was “a helper” of their joy. As even Jesus wanted their “joy” to be made full.

A good example of authority is Paul who said the authority he was given was for “their edification,” not “destruction”. How about the authority Jesus speaks of? The authority to lay one’s life down? How about that kind? We don’t hear about “that kind” much.

How about coveting Christ’s position on “the floor,” at others’ feet washing them? We know women can wash the feet of the saints (1Tim 5:10). Being it’s a position closest to the floor it should work. The kind of loving authority he showed watched men take the “seats of honour” and His own disciples arguing over “who was the greatest” when He who IS the greatest just stood by.

Pastor/Shepherd (poimen) in protecting the flock OF GOD (HISnot anyone else’s heritage. The administration by God’s grace given to care for them, loving them, and keeping them safe. What kind of “authority” are we “imagining” when “we say” authority? Have you ever really thought about it? Or is it another who is “the greatest syndrome”? Many times that’s HOW it’s wielded or even defended in most cases.

Do we see God-given authority (whose main concern is the protection and welfare of others) as some kind of head-trip rule?

The argument begins, well Phebe was not set over Paul. That’s not even a question I’d ask. It completely misses the point of what true authority is, if its “laying one’s life down for one’s friends.” The problem is in HOW we define authority. Not only that, for her “to be” a succourerby nature of the word is to be “set over,” within that it means “protectress” and “guardian.” In other words, its an authority which seeks to protect not “rule OVER” but “to rule” WELL. In THAT LIGHT “ruling over” becomes a matter of heart of those who have been “endued” and “entrusted” and who must also give “an account.” Jesus showed the wrong “ruling over” opposed to His instruction.

How could Phebe (who) “being a protectress” not apply to Paul? He himself spoke of “women” who risked their necks ( lives ) for him. The laying down of one’s life for their friends was our Lords example of “no greater love is this.” This, then, is acting much like the kind of shepherd (pastor) Jesus was. This is what He spoke of (after which we are to “follow”). It does not conflict with anything concerning the authority Jesus speaks of. It’s neither of what many keep trying to “attach to it”.

If we are looking at the “authority” spoken of in 1Tim 2:12 Neither a woman or men (disciples) were ever given “THAT” ever; ever look what kind it is?

Here’s the verse. I want to tackle this in regards to how it’s worded in another post as the words “Woman” and “Teach” are found in this verse below and Rev 2:20 and JEZEBEL is brought up in relation to “this KIND OF” authority (in this specific verse) not found elsewhere, neither did Christ given his disciples “this kind of authority.” Not only that but Paul if you write out what Jesus said and what Paul said under it you will see he is answering to “the Lord” and I stand in disagreement with some that it is “Paul’s preferences,” verses him “answering the Lord” in Rev 2:20 on the basis of that connection.

1Tim 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

The word usurp authority is Authenteo

1) One who with his own hands kills another or himself
2) One who acts on his own authority, autocratic
3) an absolute master 4) to govern, to excercise dominion over one

Doesn’t that bring good reason to why both “a woman” (singularly) over “THE Man” and “THAT Woman” Jezebel are mentioned? Note the kind of authority and over “THE Man” not MEN?

Please be aware that even “this kind of authority” (and of another as well) as described in the verse is NOT even given to his disciples (all men). In fact, even “another” (which is not given as it pertains to authority) is “in contrast” to this kind of authority. It’s contrasted against the word “minister” (diakonos) when used by Jesus Christ.

That’s IN CONTRAST TO, NOT in ACCORDANCE WITH.

Shown below (keeping in mind the following) “ministers” (diakonos) “servants” (diakonos) or “deacons” (diakonos) are to exercise this authority.

Mark 10:42-44 But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise ~lordship~ OVER THEM; and their great ones exercise ~authority~ UPON THEMBut so shall it NOT BE SO ~AMONG YOU~ but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister (diakonos): [Phebe was a “diakonos”] And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant (diakonos) [Phebe was a “diakonos”] of all.

This becomes a whole other topic as this would go a step further explaining the verses concerning the authority of Christ (that which He gives). It also shows within its definition the power on a woman’s head. The authority is rooted in being “led of the Spirit” which bloweth where it willeth in relation to the “Sons of God.” This is, again, in contrast to those “under the law.” Paul establishes that “the law” speaketh “to them” who are “under the law.” He also establishes the fact that it’s not to those “led by the Spirit” that the law saith anything (they are “hearing” what the Spirit is saying). In fact, the verse in question (1Cr 14:34) attaches “as saith the law” to it (and there’s more on this even).

The definition of this authority (as you read the definition) is rooted in “The Spirit of Christ” and “for freedom Christ is set us free” (and that pertains to the law) and the “Spirit of liberty” etc. Lets look here…

Mark 13:34 For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority (exousia) to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.

Authority here is Exousia (which is NOT the same kind of authority in 1Tim 2:12 which means to KILL and dominate)

The Authority Christ gives 

Exousia 

1) power of choiceliberty of doing as one pleases (Liberty in Christ who set us free, those born of the Spirit go where it “willeth”)

a) leave or permission (all things are permissible yet not all things beneficial)

2) physical and mental power (the mind of Christ)

a) the ability or strength with which one is endued, which he either possesses or exercises (definitely not a “babe” who is “unskilled” “not able” and “without strength” but those of full age)

3) the power of authority (influence) and of right (privilege)

4) the power of rule or government (the power of him whose will and commands must be submitted to by others and obeyed)

a)universally

1)authority over mankind (this is given to Christ alone)

b) specifically

1) the power of judicial decisions (Spiritual man) also seen in Deborah

2) of authority to manage domestic affairs
c) metonymically

1) a thing subject to authority or rule (a deacon is one who executes the commands of another therefore as one under authority even as Phebe, Paul both commended and approved her)

a) jurisdiction (Gods field one that has reached unto you)

2) one who possesses authority (its endued)
a) a ruler, a human magistrate
b) the leading and more powerful among created beings superior to man, spiritual potentates
d) a sign of the husband’s authority over his wife (wink)

1) the veil with which propriety required a women to cover herself e) the sign of regal authority, a crown (let NO MAN take your crown lol ).

THIS is the Authority CHRIST endues to HIS OWN. It’s what one “possesses” OF HIM.

 

THIS is A SIGN of THE HUSBAND’S (CHRISTauthority OVER HIS WIFE (THE CHURCH made up of both male and female) who “in Christ” there is no difference.

If we are looking at the word being “set over” and making it equivalent to our “ideas” of authority it’s bogus. To even equate the authority of a “deacon” /diakonos (as some believe it applies to men) Jesus shows to the contrary. That’s not the kind of authority given. Not even that which speaks of a woman over the man is given to a man over a woman.

The only MAN that has that kind of authority (in 1Tim 2:12) is Jesus Christ (if we make it any ones at all). Saying that as it pertains to the KIND of authority spoken of (as it pertains to killing) as He kills and makes alive. It’s spoken of only once in scripture and there where the arguments start.

Do a study on the words used for authority and scriptures which define it as well. This kind of authority was not even “issued to” His disciples (men at the time) either.

Meanwhile we are straining out gnats and swallowing a camel stumbling over words, “man verses woman,” without noticing at least this. I’ve heard the argument that only men can have “that kind” of authority over a woman, but I don’t see where Christ says it’s granted for any man to kill a woman with his own hands, so it’s a moot point.

There’s no man to be FIRST over us (male or female / the woman /His Church) save one man: Jesus Christ

John shows this…

3John 1:9 I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes (a MAN) who loveth to have the preeminence AMONG THEM, receiveth us not.

This is NOT true authority to “be FIRST” (or preeminent) or “the greatest” in the way men have twisted it to be.

If God made MEN the head of His Church this contradicts 3John 1:9 who imposed his own authority on others in the church and Col 1:18 the only MAN to have that place is Christ.

I believe the “authorities” are out of whack by means of understanding the different ones spoken of. In relation to a woman over THE Man it was to KILL and DOMINATE. It stops not at a WOMANS door to exercise ones OWN AUTHORITY, as did a MAN named Diotrephes is shown doing it.

Col 1:18 He (Christ) is THE HEAD of the bodyTHE CHURCH (made up of men and women) who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things HE might have the preeminence.

So neither PAUL was the HEAD of Phebe even as Diotrephes (a man) was NOT the HEAD of the church wherein He occupied. HE sought “that place.” He was not to be the “preeminent” MAN among them; it’s the wrong kind of Authority.

Eph 5:23 For THE HUSBAND (not other menis THE HEAD of THE WIFE, EVEN as CHRIST is THE HEAD of THE CHURCH: and he is the saviour of the body.

Eph 5:24 Therefore as THE CHURCH (made up of both men and women) is subject UNTO CHRIST, so let WIVES be TO THEIR ~OWN HUSBANDS~ in every thing.

The MYSTERY he spoke of down a few verses was the of Christ and the Church in relation to these very things. That of a Man and a Woman.

1Cor 11:3 I would have you know, that THE HEAD of EVERY MAN is CHRIST; and THE HEAD of THE WOMAN (church made up of men and women) is THE MAN (Jesus Christ); and THE HEAD of CHRIST is GOD.

Eph 5:31-33 For this cause shall a MAN leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his WIFE, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a GREAT MYSTERY: but I speak of Christ and the Church. NEVERTHELESS let every one of you in particular so “love” his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she “reverence” her husband.

Lets look at “rule” since it shares a common definition to “succourer,” of which Phebe was. I’ll post below the definition, again, for quick comparison.

RULE

1Tim 5:17 Let the elders (presbuteros)  that RULE (proistemiWELL be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour *in the word* and *doctrine*.

The word for Rule is Proistemi

1) to set or place before a) to be set over b) to be over, to superintend, preside over c) to be a protector or ~gardian~ 1) to give aid d) to care for, give attention to 1) profess honest occupations

How’s that “above” that of Phebe” a “succourer” of many?

The word for Succourer is Prostatis (rooted in the above)

1) a woman set over others 2) a female guardianprotectress, patroness, caring for the affairs of others and aiding them with her resources

They share the same “rule,” as even e-sword adds “rule” in its definition attached to “succourer.”

This is a rule of SERVITUDE NOT LORDSHIP

1Peter 5:3 Neither as being lords over (katakurieuo) Gods heritage, (((( but being ensamples to the flock )))

Lords over katakurieuo

1) tbring under one’s powerto subject one’s self, to subdue, master 2) to hold in subjectionto be master ofexercise lordship over hello?

The stewardship in relation to the administration is endued by God, given to one for the benefit of many. It’s not an authority trip of lordship but a position of servitude.

2Cr 1:24 ~NOT~ for that WE have DOMINION OVER your faith, but are HELPERS of YOUR JOY: for by faith ye stand.

So now we can at least get a “peek” at the so-called authority and the kinds there are. The authority that was of “lordship” Jesus said “not so” and contrasted that with “diakonos” of which Phebe was (we already looked at the “words”). Even the elders who “rule well” IS synonymous with Phebe’s role, yet both are not synonymous with “authority” as Christ has shown.

So my question is where does “minister” “deacon” “servant” “or “pastor” or “shepherd” ever equal that kind of authority?

I’m not seeing it, unless it is, in fact, pre-converted Peter’s “who is the greatest syndrome.”

2Cr 10:8 For though I should boast somewhat more of our authoritywhich the LORD has given us for edification, and not for your destruction, I should not be ashamed:

For your “destruction” as in “killing another” type of authority spoken of in 1Tim?

The goal is to be led by “the Spirit”. Others can lead *by way* of *example*. To follow another’s good example in Christ is encouraged only as they “follow Christ”. This is not being led by them (whether they be male or female).

DIAKONOS is one who carries out the commands of ANOTHER, so where is being a DIAOKONS an authority in and of itself? It’s not given for anyone to have DOMINION OVER another’s faith, it’s not given to be AS LORDS OVER anyone, and being Diakonos (or servant/minister/deacon) of all is contrasted AGAINST the kind of authority NOT to be so AMONG YOU. So how does Diakonos equate with the kind of authority I see others put on it? The authority Paul spoke of was unto edification (building up others), which would need to LOWER ITSELF not exalt itself to do. To have THE RULE and rule WELL is opposed to RULING OVER OTHERS. YET others are clearly shown having THE RULE “over,” yet it’s from a place of OVERSIGHT, protection, guardianship (care), and love. It’s of servitude and not lordship. Helpers of others joy verses lords. Even elders are to be treated AS Fathers and AS mothers because of the loving nurture of such roles affectionately as the younger AS sisters and AS brothers because it’s not a dictatorship. It appears to look as though that’s all it’s perceived as though. lol

Elders (prebuteros) both male and female

1Tim 5:17 Let the elders (presbuteros) that rule (proistemi) ~well~ be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in ~the word~ and ~doctrine~.

1Tim 5:1 Rebuke not an elder (presbuteros) but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren;

1Tim 5:2 The elder women (presbuteros) as mothers; the younger as sisters, with all purity.

1Peter 5:1 The elders (presbuteroswhich are among you exhort, who am also an elder (presbuteros) and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed: Feed the flock of God which is among youtaking the oversight~thereof~, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; Neither as being ~lords over~ God’s heritagebut being ensamples to the flock.

1Peter 5:5 Likewise, ye youngersubmit yourselves unto the elderYea, all of you be subject ~one to another~, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.

2John 1:1 The elder (presbuteros) unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;

Lets take a look at the first verse posted, adding this in as it touches on the word “rule” here, as “elders” we find in 1Tim5:17. It’s the same word used for Phebe, so I’m adding these highlighted verses to help show comparisons between them on the subject of “women”.

1Tim 5:17 Let the elders (presbuteros) that rule (proistemiwell be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.

Rule here in relation to the “elders” is (proistemiit holds the same definition in relation to the “elders” (presbuteros) [male and female] as that which is used in regards to “Phebe” / “servant” (diakonos). The word succourer protasis ) “set over” “rule” it’s synonymous [see above study]

Romans 16:6 Greet Marywho bestowed much labour on us.

1Thes 5:12 we beseech you, brethren, to  KNOW THEM which labour among you, and are over (proistemi) you in the Lord, and admonish you;

Three women posted above.

Romans 16:12 Salute Tryphena and Tryphosawho labour in the LordSalute the beloved Persiswhich laboured much in the Lord.

What is “this labour” and how do we do this as unto Christ?

Heb 6:10 For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, **in that** ye have ministered (diakoneo) to the saintsand do minister.(diakoneo)

They women laboured in their love for God and “ministered unto the saints” its a labour of love and of servitude in ministering.

Phil 4:3 And I intreat thee also, true yokefellowhelp those women which laboured with me in the gospel

Gal 3:8 There is neither Jew nor Greekthere is neither bond nor freethere is neither male and female: for ye are all one *in* Christ Jesus.

This is beautiful…

1Tim 2:11 Let ~the woman~ learn ~in silence~ with all subjection. (The subjection is to the gospel of Christ and her obedience to Him (Christ)).

Luke 10:39 …~Mary~which also sat at Jesus’ feet, and ~heard~ his word. (cant HEAR with lots of NOISE)

1Tim 2:12 But I suffer not ~A woman ~to teach, nor to ~usurp authority~ over THE man, but to be in silence.

Why? The following verse ADAM (who was a FIGURE of CHRIST) was formed FIRST then EVE  

The words usurp authority used in1Tim 2:12 is authenteo means “to kill with ones own hands” or dominate“.

Given even, “the words” of the wicked (those who do evil) “lie in wait for blood” (Pro 12:6) This mirrors what Diotrephes did in 3John 1:9 He loveth “the preeminence” John said. HE desired to be FIRST, that belongs to CHRIST (Col 1:18) not HIM. As ADAM was FIRST then EVE. ADAM is a FIGURE of Christ (Rom 5:14). Diotrephes was “part of the Church” (made up of both men and women = The Woman) but even as A MAN HE is NOT the FIRST or THE HEAD of every man Christ IS. Neither was it for “him” to usurp authority (Kill or dominate) the man Jesus Christ (His body). Christ should be first and preeminent and over all in the Church.

Because of such seducers John writes we need NOT ~ANY MAN~ to teach us because ~the anointing~ teaches us all things. We are to *Learn* ~in silence~ of HIM (like Mary at The LORDS FEET) that we might ~HEAR~ HIS WORD. I don’t think its a good thing if one is ~EVER LEARNING~ and NEVER able to come to the “knowledge of the truth” though.

Therefore

Zach 2:3 Be silentO all fleshbefore the LORDfor he is raised up out of his holy habitation.

The Church ~IS~ HIS ~FLESH~

Eph 5:24 Therefore AS the church is subject unto Christso let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

1Peter 3:1 Likewise, ye wivesbe in subjection to your ~own husbands~; that, if any obey not the wordthey also may without ~the word~ be won by the ~conversation~ of the wives;

 

All blessings in Christ!

Christine

(Thank you Kim! You are always a blessing to me!)

 

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Adam and Eve as a figure of Christ and the Church

(Another one that I was supposed to bring over from my old blog a long time again, but forgot about.)

We know that Paul saw Adam as “a figure of Christ”

Romans 5:14 … Adamis the figure of HIM that was TO COME

And that Paul used the marriage relationship (husband/wife) to demonstrate the relationship between Christ and the Church.

Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning CHRIST and THE CHURCH…..

If we go back to Genesis, we know that Adam was formed out of the dust of the ground, yet EVE WAS MADE FROM THE RIB (= side-chambers or cells of the temple structure, according to Blue Letter Bible) OF ADAM…..

So looking at some of the patterns that exist between the account in Genesis of Adam and Eve and that which is written in the NT of Christ and the church we see:

Genesis

Gen 2:21 And the LORD God ~caused~ A DEEP SLEEP TO FALL UPON ADAM

Jesus

John 19:33 But when they came to JESUS and SAW HE WAS DEAD ALREADY, they brake not his legs …

Back to Genesis

Gen 2:21b ….and HE SLEPT: and he TOOK one of his RIBS, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

 

Back to Jesus

John 19:34 But ~one of the soldiers~ with A SPEAR ~PIERCED~ HIS SIDE, and forthwith ~came there~ BLOOD and WATER.

Back to Genesis

Gen 2:22 And THE RIB, which the LORD God had taken FROM MAN, made he A WOMAN

Gen 2:23 And Adam said, this is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called WOMAN, because she WAS TAKEN OUT OF MAN.

Concerning the church

Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

Back to Genesis

Gen 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man…..

Jesus said

John 6:44 No man can come to me, *except* the Father which hath sent me draw him

God MADE A WOMAN FOR THE MAN in both cases.

Eve was made AN HELP MEET FOR ADAM and God has made us ABLE MINISTERS of the BETTER COVENANT, as we are LABOURERS TOGETHER WITH GOD.

Said of Eve:

Gen 3:20 And Adam called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

Said of the New Jerusalem:

Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Jesus was not kidding when He said:

Psalm 40:7 Then said I, LO, I COME: IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME,

No wonder we are told:

Pro 25:2 It is the glory of God TO CONCEAL **A THING** , but the honour of kings is TO
SEARCH OUT A MATTER
…..
.. ..

Luke 1:35…therefore also THAT**HOLY THING** which shall be born of thee shall be called THE SON OF GOD…..

Col…. 2:3 IN WHOM ARE HID ALL THE TREASURES OF wisdom and knowledge

The LORD says…

Isaiah 45:3 And I will give thee THE TREASURES OF darkness, and HIDDEN RICHES OF SECRET PLACES, that thou mayest know that I, THE LORD, which call thee by thy name,
am the God of ….Israel…..

Paul says…

2Cr 4:7 But WE HAVE THIS TREASURE in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Again…

Col…. 1:27 To whom God would make known **what is** THE RICHES OF THE GLORY of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is CHRIST IN YOU, the hope of glory.

John 5:39 **SEARCH** THE SCRIPTURES; for IN THEM ye think ye have eternal life: and
THEY ARE THEY WHICH TESTIFY OF ME

John 5:40 And ye will not COME TO ME, that ye might have life.….

1Cor 2:9… Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, THE THINGS which God hath prepared for them that love him.

1Cr 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, THE DEEP THINGS OF GOD.

Just trying to show the patterns. The colors are supposed to help, hope it’s not “too busy”. Once again, I have to give credit to my friend Kim who I stole a bunch of this from. 🙂

I can’t help it if we think so much alike and she has more time on her hands than I do. LOL

All Blessings in Christ!!

 

 

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A look at Cain, Abel and Seth in relation to Christ and the Church

Abel-Christ_bannerGoing back to Genesis to look at Cain and Abel and Seth in relation to Christ and the Church:

Cain = the first born

Abel = the second born

Seth = “another seed” appointed by God “instead of Abel”

That which was “first“: Gen 4:2 Cain was a tiller of the ground.

That which is “second“: Gen 4:2 Abel was a keeper of sheep

Cain (that which was first) slew his brother, Abel (that which was second), which can be seen as a figure pertaining to the crucifixion of Christ.

We can see a similar pattern in Ishmael (the first, born according to the flesh) and Isaac (the second, born according to the promise).

Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that
was
born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

1Cr 15:46 Howbeit that was **not first** which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and **afterward** that which is spiritual.

1Cr 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord
from heaven
.

Cain slew Abel and God asked Cain:

Gen 4:10 What hast THOU DONE? The ~VOICE OF~ your brothers blood ~CRIETH~ UNTO ME “”””from the ground.””””

Abel’s words (the “voice” of his blood) are not recorded in the book, but later (in the NT) we hear Christ CRY OUT from the cross:

Mat 27:46 JESUS CRIED with A ~LOUD VOICE~, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, ~My GOD~ MY GOD~ Why hast thou forsaken ME?

I’m seeing this as Jesus fulfilling the words of Abel yet at the same time…

Heb 12:24 And to JESUS **the mediator of** the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that SPEAKETH BETTER THINGS than that of Abel.

How does Jesus speak better things than that of Abel?

Jesus seems to “intercede” ((being THE MEDIATOR between MAN and GOD)) on Cain’s behalf:

When God says TO CAIN

Gen 4:10 WHAT hast **THOU** DONE?

Jesus seems to ‘answer’:

Luke 23:24 Then said Jesus, Father, FORGIVE THEM; for THEY (the natural man) **KNOW NOT WHAT** THEY DO.

So while the words of Abel were never recorded in the book they appear to be recorded in the Life of the Lamb, as the FULFILLER of that which was written and as the MEDIATOR of a BETTER COVENANT.

Turning back to Genesis we see that God APPOINTS SETH in the place of ABEL:

Gen 4:25 Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me *another seed* instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

A similar “appointment” can be seen at the cross, as well:

John 19:26  When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!

Those given to stand “in Christ’s stead” = Those God “hath set” in THE CHURCH.

The SEED appointed to preach “IN HIS NAME”.

And we see that AFTER the blood of Abel was shed and “another seed” was appointed IN HIS STEAD that men BEGAN to call upon THE NAME of THE LORD.

Here Gen 4:26… **then** began men **to call upon** the name of the LORD.

No other name is given save the name of Jesus Christ by which men can be saved. It’s AFTER the blood of Abel (a pattern for Christ) that men BEGAN to call upon THE NAME OF THE LORD. Seth is appointed as even the Apostles are appointed. Since the flesh is “NOT COUNTED” AS SEED … Seth is ANOTHER SEED “in the place” (or in the STEAD) of Abel (since Cain slew Him).

It makes sense to me to regard Seth as “the second child” standing up in HIS (Abel/ Christ’s) STEAD, which can also be seen in Christ’s Apostles.

Ecc 4:13 I considered all the living which walk under the sun, with the **second child** that **shall stand up** in his stead.

2Cr 5:20 Now then **we** are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you **by us**: **we** pray you **in Christ’s stead** be ye reconciled to God.

If we look back at the generations of Adam “in the day that God CREATED man, IN THE LIKENESS OF GOD” we can see that neither Cain nor Abel are counted, only “the seed” that was “appointed” by God “instead of Abel” (ONLY SETH) is counted.

We also see what appears to be a “recounting” of the sixth day – speaking of what God CREATED as it pertains TO THEM.

Gen 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called **THEIR NAME** ADAM, “””” IN THE DAY “”” when THEY were CREATED.

Paul appears to see this here but as it pertains to Jesus Christ (as WE are CHILDREN OF **THE DAY** The Lord hath made).

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is NEITHER “”” MALE NOR FEMALE “”””: for ye are ALL ONE “”” IN CHRIST “””

Although this recount appears to reflect the sixth day, God does three things, “formed“, “made“, “created“.

He (first) FORMED Adam from the dust of the ground = FIRST MAN of THE EARTH = LIVING SOUL.

He MADE the woman (a figure of the church) from Adam’s (a figure of Christ) SIDE.

He also CREATED THEM and called THEIR NAME ADAM **IN** what’s called **THE DAY** He CREATED THEM.

God shows something first and then gives a “recount” showing FIRST – that which He does LAST.

So “how” are THEY CREATED?

Psalm 104:30 Thou SENDEST ~forth~ THY SPIRIT ,THEY ARE CREATED: and thou renewest the ~FACE OF~ the earth.

Wasn’t this speaking forward to those CREATED IN CHRIST?

Psalm 10:18 This shall be written for the generation TO COME: and ~THE PEOPLE~ which ~SHALL BE~ CREATED shall ~praise the LORD~.

HE is ~THE IMAGE~ of the invisible God. If you have ~SEEN ME~ you have ~SEEN~ the Father. He is the Fathers ~COUNTENANCE~.

God RENEWEST the face of ~THE EARTH~ or RENEWEST ~US~ (our MINDS), transforming US into HIS IMAGE = NEW MAN = INWARD MAN being RENEWED day by day.

Jesus said,

Mark 10:6 But FROM the Beginning of **THE CREATION** God made them male and female.

WHO IS???

Rev 3:14 “””These things“”” ~SAITH~ “””THE AMEN“”” the faithful and true witness, The Beginning of **THE CREATION** of God;

Keep following the verse in Mark 10:6 to

Mark 10:7 FOR THIS ~CAUSE~ shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife.

Mark 10:8 And They TWAIN shall be ONE FLESH: so then they are NO MORE TWAIN, BUT ONE FLESH.

Mark 10:9 What therefore God hath joined together, “””let not man put asunder“””

1Cr 6:17 But he that is joined unto The Lord is ONE SPIRIT.

The MYSTERY Paul said he spoke was of Christ and the Church = That man and that Woman in the similitude of Adam who is a figure even as Abel and Seth are after the same figure according to His work of salvation God hid in Christ.

Again…

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is NEITHER “”” MALE NOR FEMALE “”””: for YE ARE ALL ONE “””IN CHRIST“””

Again look…

Gen 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called THEIR NAME ADAM, “””” IN THE DAY “”” WHEN THEY WERE CREATED.

These things were NOT the VERY IMAGE OF THINGS but the law HAVING **A
SHADOW OF
**
THE GOOD THINGS
TO COME **CHRIST** WHO IS *THE LIGHT
OF*
THEM.

These were always speaking FORWARD TO CHRIST. Its NOT about ~EARTHLY~ THINGS but ~THE~ HEAVENLY THING Prov 25:2 To WHICH THING GOD DID CONCEAL in the patterns Speaking of WHICH THING Luke 1:35 IS TO and OF THE HOLY THING = Christ IN YOU. 1Cr 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthly, we “””shall“” also bear the image of the heavenly.

This is beautiful, these thing were all written for the CHOSEN GENERATION = CHOSEN IN HIM as it was preordained IN CHRIST= Which SHALL BE **CREATED** IN CHRIST= LIFE QUICKENING SPIRIT= LAST ADAM as the law itself is HAVING A SHADOW of which HE IS **THE LIGHT** = IN THAT DAY our eyes will SEE out of obscurity as God commanded THE LIGHT to shine and this in the FACE OF CHRIST of Whom the scriptures TESTIFY.

It was speaking of this…

Psalm 10:18 This shall be written for **the generation** TO COME: and ~THE PEOPLE~ which ~SHALL BE~ CREATED shall ~praise the LORD~.

1Peter 2:9 But YE ARE **a chosen generation** a royal priesthood, an holy nation, A PEULIAR PEOPLE; that ye should shew forth **the praises** of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.

THEY are only CREATED when (HE SENDS HIS SPIRIT) follow this…

John 7:39 But this spake He of THE SPIRIT , which they that believe on him should receive: for THE HOLY GHOST was NOT GIVEN; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.

This follows the same pattern set in Genesis, when He sends His Spirit

Psalm 104:30 THOU **sendest forth** THY SPIRIT , THEY are CREATED: and thou ~renewest~ the ~face of~ the earth. (ALL THINGS NEW) inward man RENEWED

HE DOES

John 20:22 when he had said this, HE BREATHED on THEM, and saith unto them, ~Receive ye~ THE HOLY GHOST:

Gen 5:2 Male and female CREATED HE ~THEM~; and **BLESSED** THEM, and called ~THEIR NAME~ ADAM, ~IN THE DAY~ (( WHEN )) THEY WERE CREATED. (No difference between male and female). Here’s where Paul saw the Last Adam
(Christ) and us CREATED
IN HIM (Being….Children ~OF~ THE DAY).

Ephes 4:24 And that ye PUT ON the NEW MAN, which AFTER GOD “”IS CREATED “””in righteousness and true holiness””””

Col 3:30 And have put on THE NEW MAN, which is renewed in knowledge AFTER the IMAGE OF HIM that CREATED HIM:

1Cr 15:46 Howbeit that was NOT FIRST which is spiritual, but that which is NATURAL; and AFTERWARD that which IS SPIRITUAL.

Romans 4:17 God, who quickeneth the dead, and **calleth those things** which be not as though they were.

God calls things that are NOT as though they were. So HE BEGINS with THE CREATED (as shown in the days) but SHOWS that part LAST *again* in Genesis 5. If you back up and look, only what is FORMED (the first man who is “a figure” of Him who was to come) is shown. Not that alone but what is MADE (as it pertains to the woman “made from” his side). Yet God does THREE things, He FORMED (the man) MADE (the woman) and CREATED THEM… THOU sendeth forth THY SPIRIT= THEY ARE CREATED = A PEOPLE to be CREATED (as in a future generation) A CHOSEN Generation.

Psalms 104:30 **When** He sends His Spirit and they are created and He renews the face of the earth.

This is kool, hard to show (going back and forth) but if you look on the SEVENTH DAY when God FINISHED THE WORK = IT IS FINISHED.

Look at that day and what’s accounted for.

ONLY what is MADE and CREATED is present and what is FORMED is NOT THERE (as if made VOID). BUT it shows A MIST (masculine noun) WENT UP and watered the whole surface of the ground.

That’s even a picture of Christ who YEILDED UP His Spirit.

It’s like this continuing circuit with a circular pattern that keeps repeating itself all pointing to Him, the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Lo I COME in the volume of the book it is written OF ME, Christ says, The scriptures testify OF ME.

All Blessings in Christ.

Christine

 

 

 

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