Women in ministry a look at scriptures

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(A study from 2007)

So… Here’s my ongoing investigative look at “scripture alone” concerning women in ministry, “titles” and how these words are defined. I hope to keep “adding to” what I find as not everything is discussed in this particular study but its pretty extensive thus far.

Here’s a few verses including “women” highlighted in “pink”

Rom 16:7 Salute Andronicus and Juniamy kinsmen, and my fellow prisonerswho are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ ~before me~.

Rom 16:12 Salute Tryphena and Tryphosa, who labour in the Lord. Salute the beloved Persis, which laboured much in the Lord.

1Thes 5:12 we beseech you, brethren, to KNOW ~THEM~ which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;

Rom 16:6 Greet Marywho bestowed much labour on us.

Rom 16:3 Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus

Acts 18:26 And he (Apollosbegan to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heardthey took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.

Heb 6:10 For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of lovewhich ye have shewed toward his name, **in that** ye have ministered (diakoneo) to the saints, and do minister.(diakoneo)

Rom 16:1 I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant (diakonos) of the church which is at Cenchrea: That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.

Starting with PhebeShe was a “servant” (diakonos) I thought to look at this word and how its used in scripture.

The word “Servant,” “Minister,” and “Deacon” are each translated from the exact same word: Diakonos” Part of speech “noun” m/f

Here’s some examples below highlighted in blue where the word is found in scripture

Rom 13:4 For he is a minister (diakonos) of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister (diakonos) of God, an avenger who brings wrath upon the one who practices evil.

Rom 15:8 For I say that Christ has become a servant (diakonos) to the circumcision on behalf of the truth of God to confirm the promises given to the fathers,

Rom 16:1 I commend to you our sister Phebe, who is a servant (diakonos) of the church which is at Cenchrea;

Col 1:7 just as you learned it from Epaphras, our beloved fellow bond-servant (diakonos) who is a faithful servant (diakonos) of Christ on our behalf,

Col 1:23 if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister (diakonos)

Please note: it’s a “stewardship” FROM GOD; it’s BESTOWED upon them FOR OTHERS’ BENEFIT

Col 1:25 Of this Church I *was made* a minister (diakonos) according to the stewardship (( from God )) *bestowed upon me* for ((( your benefit ))) that I might fully carry out the preaching of the word of God,

Col 4:7 As to all my affairs, Tychicus, our beloved brother and faithful servant (diakonos) and fellow bond-servant (diakonos) in the Lord, will bring you information.

1Tim 3:8 Deacons (diakonos) likewise must be men of dignity, not double-tongued, or addicted to much wine or fond of sordid gain,

1Tim 3:12 Let deacons (diakonos) be husbands of only one wife, and good managers of their children and their own households.

1Tim 4:6 In pointing out these things to the brethren, you will be a good servant (diakonos) of Christ Jesus, constantly nourished on the words of the faith and of the sound doctrine which you have been following.

Diakonos part of speech noun

1) one who *executes* ~the commands~ of another (that makes “them” the authority?) esp. of a mastera servantattendantminister a) the servant of a king b) a deacon, one who, by virtue of the office assigned to him by the church, cares for the poor and has charge of and distributes the money collected for their use c) a waiter, one who serves food and drink

The words in the above verses are the same word diakonos.

The same word which applies to “Deacon” in 1Tim 3:12 concerning “a deacon” (diakonos) being the “husband of one wife” is the same word “servant” (diakonos) applied to a woman Phebe in Rom 16:1. Its the same word in Col 1:25 “minister” (diakonos) Paul applies to “himself” and “Who” (by the way) was not married (therefore neither was ‘he’ a ‘husband of one wife’as is prescribed in 1Tim 3:12. Obviously neither Phebe NOR Paul were ‘husbands’

Its application is scripturally applied to both genders

The word “Deacon” (Diakoneo) in both 1Timothy 3:10 & 13 is a verb which root word is “Diakonos” a noun. Just as “the words” might differ as “written” in the first example the same is true of “Diakoneo”. We can find both genders within the verb “Diakoneo”.

Diakoneo (verb)

1) “to be” a servant, attendant, domestic, to serve, wait upon a) to minister unto onerender ministering offices to 1) to be served, minister unto b) to wait at a table and offer food and drink to the guests, 1) of women preparing food c) to minister i.e. supply food and necessities of life 1) to relieve one’s necessities (e.g. by collecting alms), to provide take care of, distribute, the things necessary to sustain life 2) to take care of the poor and the sick, who “administer” the office of “a deacon” 3) in Christian churches to serve as deacons d) to minister 1) to attend to anything, that may serve another’s interests 2) to minister a thing to oneto serve one or by supplying any thing

Here’s a few examples…

Deacon (Diakoneo) a verb in 1Tim 3:10, 3:13showing both men and women… Math 27:5 shows women doing so again with the use of “ministering” (diakoneo), same word John 12:2 applied to “Martha” again who “served” (diakoneo)Rom 15:25 to Paul “to minister” (diakoneo) 2Cr 8:19 in relation to the grace “administered” (diakoneo) Heb 6:10 the labour of love… “ministering” (diakoneo) to the saints. 1Peter 4:10-11 “minister” (diakoneo) with the “ability” shown as a gift” being a “steward” of this “grace” and to “one another.”

To summarize 

Phebe, a woman (in Romans 16:1-2, 16:27) was indeed a “servant” (diakonos), same exact word as “deacon” (diakonos) applied to men who are to be the husband of one wife. It is also the same word for “minister” (diakonos) of which “Paul” who had “no wife”(therefore not “as husband”) who uses this office in regards to “himself”.

Pastors

Concerning “Pastors” the word is equivalent to a “Shepherd”. The common misconception is that scripture speaks of more MEN pastors then it does women. That’s not so at all. I dare you to find one reference to “gender” in regards to it.

The actual word “Pastors” is found “ONCE” in the NT and “shepherd” (as it appears in the NT) is the same.

Here’s the ONE VERSE

Pastors poimen {poy-mane’}

Ephes 4:11 And he gave some (gender neutral) apostles; and some (gender neutral), prophets; and some (gender neutral), evangelists; and some (gender neutral)PASTORS (poimen) and teachers;

Cant tell anything from there.

Here’s the Greek NT definition

Pastors poimen {poy-mane’} 1) a herdsman, esp. a Shepherd a) in the parable, he to whose care and control others have ~committed~ themselves , and whose precepts they follow 2) metaph. a) the presiding officer, manager, director, of any assembly: so of Christ the Head of the church 1) of the overseers of the Christian assemblies 2) of kings and princes

The tasks of a Near Eastern shepherd were:

– to watch for enemies trying to attack the sheep
– to defend the sheep from attackers
 to heal the wounded and sick sheep
– to find and save lost or trapped sheep
– to love them, sharing their lives and so earning their trust.

The “gospels alone” show what good “Pastors” (poimen) do as “the word” itself is synonymous with: “Shepherd” (poimen). Jesus (in the gospels) show what a good “Shepherd” (poimen) does (and namely Himself) who “we” are to “follow”.

Here’s those very verses in the “gospels” Mat 9:36, 25:32, 26:31, Mark 6:34,14:27, Luke 2:8, 2:18, 2:20, John 10:2,10:11-12,10:14, & 10:16,

“Pastors” (poimen) in Eph 4:11 is mentioned only twice elsewhere in “the epistles”. Both times the word is used it’s in reference to Jesus Christ alone as the one “Shepherd” (poimen)

Here’s the two other verses

Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesusthat great Shepherd (poimen) of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

1Peter 2:25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd (poimen) and Bishop of your souls.

That’s all we have in the NT. From these it is not possible to see it applying to one particular gender.

The word “pastors” (poimen) (NT Greek) is equivalent with “Shepherd” (poimen). We need more, but where else can we affirm these things? We can look in the OT (Hebrew). We would then need to find the equivalent of these words there which hold the same balance in regards to the two right?

In the OT the actual word “pastors” is shown “seven times”. That which is in the OT (Hebrew) is as the same in the NT (Greek) equating the two together under the same word Ra`ah from here Jer 2:8, 3:15,10:21,12:10, 22:22,23:1-2 There are 178 other verses you might like to check out (way too many to post here)

Here’s an example

Jer 3:15 And I will give you PASTORS (Ra`ah) according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.

The word “Pastors” is Ra`ah {raw-aw’} …part of speech verb

1) to pasture, tend, graze, feed a) (Qal) 1) to tend, pasture a) to shepherd b) of ruler, teacher (fig) c) of people as flock (fig) d) shepherd, herdsman (subst) 2) to feed, graze a) of cows, sheep etc (literal) b) of idolater, Israel as flock (fig) b) (Hiphil) shepherdshepherdess 2) to associate withbe a friend of (meaning probable) a) (Qal) to associate with b) (Hithpael) to be companions 3) (Piel) to be a special friend

Here we find both the words shepherdess as well as shepherd

Gen 29:9 And while he yet spake with them, Rachel came with her father’s sheep: for she kept (Ra`ah) them.

Someone had brought up that there were no “pastors,” as they were called “priests” in the OT. Then let’s show they are not the same before this argument emerges. Realizing too that those things also were written down “for us” as well and we can draw from them.

Jer 2:8 THE PRIESTS (Kohen) said notWhere is the LORD? and they that handle the law knew me notTHE PASTORS (Ra `ahalso transgressed against me.

Obviously not, the words do differ

Another said… Pastors (being shepherds) means that they only kept literal sheep (as in farm animals).

For us to think God’s ANGER burned against the Shepherds (Pastors) for such a thing is absurd.

Sheep are used as a “similitude,” as Hosea 12:10 confirms. Sheep (or the flock of God confirms even in the NT). They are the same. It’s a picture of people who are His sheep. All they saw was Psalm 106:20  similitude of an OX ( just animals ). and this is what Paul was showing them, confirming the same in 1Cr 9:9-10… “doth God care for oxen“? No, obviously not. Paul said it was for “our sakes” not “animals”.

God was not ANGRY because literal shepherds over ANIMALS were scattering their own animals. That’s crazy.

Back to Phebe, now she is not specifically shown as a “pastor” but as “servant” (diakonos) same word for “deacon” and “minister” (of which Paul was).

But is it a stretch considering the above? I don’t think so at all. Both genders are indeed shown in Pastors in the OT. The NT is silent on it, validating neither male or female, but the Lord Himself, which is not far off from “neither male nor female.” In Christ is it?

Lets look at another part of the verse which applies to Phebe

Rom 16:1-2 I ~commend~ unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant (diakonos) of the church which is at Cenchrea: That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.

Another word you’ll read in relation to Phebe is that she “a succourer” (some bibles have “helper”) either way that specific word means as shown in Strong’s concordance

Succourer “prostatis” 1) a woman set over others 2) a female ~gaurdian~protectress, patroness, caring for the affairs of others and aiding them with her resources

ESword Greek
G4368
προστάτις
prostatis
pros-tat’-is
Feminine of a derivative of G4291;patroness, that is, assistant: – succourer.

G4291
προΐ́στημι
proistēmi
pro-is’-tay-mee
From G4253 and G2476; to stand before, that is, (in rank) to preside, or (by implication) to practise: – maintain, be overrule.

The same word “prostasis” is found in 1Thes 5:12 for “over” and 1Tim 5:17 for “rule.”

1Thes 5:12 we beseech you, brethren, to KNOW THEM which labour among you, and are over (prostasis) you in the Lord, and admonish you;

Rom 16:6 Greet Marywho bestowed much labour on us.

1Tim 5:17 Let the elders (presbuteros) that rule (protasiswell be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.

See below for “elders” (presbuteros) because there are “elder women” (presbuteros) 1Tim 5:1-2

Getting back to the previous thought, a woman can indeed protect (be a protectress) which also implies “defend.”  By definition guarding (or a female guardian). Does not Paul say the same? He said there were women who risked their necks for him.

This (to me) sounds almost identical to the true good “Shepherds” (poimen) or “Pastors” role as is defined by Jesus and in the OT. At the same time, it is descriptive of a “succourer” of which Phebe was. She was a “servant” or “minister” or “deacon” (pick one, as they all mean “diakonos”). She was in heart of those “made so” by the Spirit. A good Shepherd careth for the sheep; it’s the laying down of their lives for the sake of Christ for others. By nature of those things attributed to her it sure sounds very much the same.

It’s a love and care thing not an “authority trip”. If Deacon is thought to be a role of “authority,” having the “final say,” then why does the definition say it’s one who “executes” the commands of “another”?

As I’ve heard, these positions are of “leadership,” so we must “lead” right? But what’s the true definition of “leadership” or “to lead”? Is it not by way of “example”? When did “men” become the head of the church and Christ stop?

When one “leads” it’s not “to ourselves” but “to Christ” even Paul affirms that. He said, “we preach not ourselves but Christ as Lord”. None are to “lord over” (as in “ruling over others”) as Jesus showed to the contrary. What of “leading by way of example”? Being an ensample to the flock. Paul never claimed to “lord over their faith” but even “he” (being a man) was “a helper” of their joy. As even Jesus wanted their “joy” to be made full.

A good example of authority is Paul who said the authority he was given was for “their edification,” not “destruction”. How about the authority Jesus speaks of? The authority to lay one’s life down? How about that kind? We don’t hear about “that kind” much.

How about coveting Christ’s position on “the floor,” at others’ feet washing them? We know women can wash the feet of the saints (1Tim 5:10). Being it’s a position closest to the floor it should work. The kind of loving authority he showed watched men take the “seats of honour” and His own disciples arguing over “who was the greatest” when He who IS the greatest just stood by.

Pastor/Shepherd (poimen) in protecting the flock OF GOD (HISnot anyone else’s heritage. The administration by God’s grace given to care for them, loving them, and keeping them safe. What kind of “authority” are we “imagining” when “we say” authority? Have you ever really thought about it? Or is it another who is “the greatest syndrome”? Many times that’s HOW it’s wielded or even defended in most cases.

Do we see God-given authority (whose main concern is the protection and welfare of others) as some kind of head-trip rule?

The argument begins, well Phebe was not set over Paul. That’s not even a question I’d ask. It completely misses the point of what true authority is, if its “laying one’s life down for one’s friends.” The problem is in HOW we define authority. Not only that, for her “to be” a succourerby nature of the word is to be “set over,” within that it means “protectress” and “guardian.” In other words, its an authority which seeks to protect not “rule OVER” but “to rule” WELL. In THAT LIGHT “ruling over” becomes a matter of heart of those who have been “endued” and “entrusted” and who must also give “an account.” Jesus showed the wrong “ruling over” opposed to His instruction.

How could Phebe (who) “being a protectress” not apply to Paul? He himself spoke of “women” who risked their necks ( lives ) for him. The laying down of one’s life for their friends was our Lords example of “no greater love is this.” This, then, is acting much like the kind of shepherd (pastor) Jesus was. This is what He spoke of (after which we are to “follow”). It does not conflict with anything concerning the authority Jesus speaks of. It’s neither of what many keep trying to “attach to it”.

If we are looking at the “authority” spoken of in 1Tim 2:12 Neither a woman or men (disciples) were ever given “THAT” ever; ever look what kind it is?

Here’s the verse. I want to tackle this in regards to how it’s worded in another post as the words “Woman” and “Teach” are found in this verse below and Rev 2:20 and JEZEBEL is brought up in relation to “this KIND OF” authority (in this specific verse) not found elsewhere, neither did Christ given his disciples “this kind of authority.” Not only that but Paul if you write out what Jesus said and what Paul said under it you will see he is answering to “the Lord” and I stand in disagreement with some that it is “Paul’s preferences,” verses him “answering the Lord” in Rev 2:20 on the basis of that connection.

1Tim 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

The word usurp authority is Authenteo

1) One who with his own hands kills another or himself
2) One who acts on his own authority, autocratic
3) an absolute master 4) to govern, to excercise dominion over one

Doesn’t that bring good reason to why both “a woman” (singularly) over “THE Man” and “THAT Woman” Jezebel are mentioned? Note the kind of authority and over “THE Man” not MEN?

Please be aware that even “this kind of authority” (and of another as well) as described in the verse is NOT even given to his disciples (all men). In fact, even “another” (which is not given as it pertains to authority) is “in contrast” to this kind of authority. It’s contrasted against the word “minister” (diakonos) when used by Jesus Christ.

That’s IN CONTRAST TO, NOT in ACCORDANCE WITH.

Shown below (keeping in mind the following) “ministers” (diakonos) “servants” (diakonos) or “deacons” (diakonos) are to exercise this authority.

Mark 10:42-44 But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise ~lordship~ OVER THEM; and their great ones exercise ~authority~ UPON THEMBut so shall it NOT BE SO ~AMONG YOU~ but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister (diakonos): [Phebe was a “diakonos”] And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant (diakonos) [Phebe was a “diakonos”] of all.

This becomes a whole other topic as this would go a step further explaining the verses concerning the authority of Christ (that which He gives). It also shows within its definition the power on a woman’s head. The authority is rooted in being “led of the Spirit” which bloweth where it willeth in relation to the “Sons of God.” This is, again, in contrast to those “under the law.” Paul establishes that “the law” speaketh “to them” who are “under the law.” He also establishes the fact that it’s not to those “led by the Spirit” that the law saith anything (they are “hearing” what the Spirit is saying). In fact, the verse in question (1Cr 14:34) attaches “as saith the law” to it (and there’s more on this even).

The definition of this authority (as you read the definition) is rooted in “The Spirit of Christ” and “for freedom Christ is set us free” (and that pertains to the law) and the “Spirit of liberty” etc. Lets look here…

Mark 13:34 For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority (exousia) to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.

Authority here is Exousia (which is NOT the same kind of authority in 1Tim 2:12 which means to KILL and dominate)

The Authority Christ gives 

Exousia 

1) power of choiceliberty of doing as one pleases (Liberty in Christ who set us free, those born of the Spirit go where it “willeth”)

a) leave or permission (all things are permissible yet not all things beneficial)

2) physical and mental power (the mind of Christ)

a) the ability or strength with which one is endued, which he either possesses or exercises (definitely not a “babe” who is “unskilled” “not able” and “without strength” but those of full age)

3) the power of authority (influence) and of right (privilege)

4) the power of rule or government (the power of him whose will and commands must be submitted to by others and obeyed)

a)universally

1)authority over mankind (this is given to Christ alone)

b) specifically

1) the power of judicial decisions (Spiritual man) also seen in Deborah

2) of authority to manage domestic affairs
c) metonymically

1) a thing subject to authority or rule (a deacon is one who executes the commands of another therefore as one under authority even as Phebe, Paul both commended and approved her)

a) jurisdiction (Gods field one that has reached unto you)

2) one who possesses authority (its endued)
a) a ruler, a human magistrate
b) the leading and more powerful among created beings superior to man, spiritual potentates
d) a sign of the husband’s authority over his wife (wink)

1) the veil with which propriety required a women to cover herself e) the sign of regal authority, a crown (let NO MAN take your crown lol ).

THIS is the Authority CHRIST endues to HIS OWN. It’s what one “possesses” OF HIM.

 

THIS is A SIGN of THE HUSBAND’S (CHRISTauthority OVER HIS WIFE (THE CHURCH made up of both male and female) who “in Christ” there is no difference.

If we are looking at the word being “set over” and making it equivalent to our “ideas” of authority it’s bogus. To even equate the authority of a “deacon” /diakonos (as some believe it applies to men) Jesus shows to the contrary. That’s not the kind of authority given. Not even that which speaks of a woman over the man is given to a man over a woman.

The only MAN that has that kind of authority (in 1Tim 2:12) is Jesus Christ (if we make it any ones at all). Saying that as it pertains to the KIND of authority spoken of (as it pertains to killing) as He kills and makes alive. It’s spoken of only once in scripture and there where the arguments start.

Do a study on the words used for authority and scriptures which define it as well. This kind of authority was not even “issued to” His disciples (men at the time) either.

Meanwhile we are straining out gnats and swallowing a camel stumbling over words, “man verses woman,” without noticing at least this. I’ve heard the argument that only men can have “that kind” of authority over a woman, but I don’t see where Christ says it’s granted for any man to kill a woman with his own hands, so it’s a moot point.

There’s no man to be FIRST over us (male or female / the woman /His Church) save one man: Jesus Christ

John shows this…

3John 1:9 I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes (a MAN) who loveth to have the preeminence AMONG THEM, receiveth us not.

This is NOT true authority to “be FIRST” (or preeminent) or “the greatest” in the way men have twisted it to be.

If God made MEN the head of His Church this contradicts 3John 1:9 who imposed his own authority on others in the church and Col 1:18 the only MAN to have that place is Christ.

I believe the “authorities” are out of whack by means of understanding the different ones spoken of. In relation to a woman over THE Man it was to KILL and DOMINATE. It stops not at a WOMANS door to exercise ones OWN AUTHORITY, as did a MAN named Diotrephes is shown doing it.

Col 1:18 He (Christ) is THE HEAD of the bodyTHE CHURCH (made up of men and women) who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things HE might have the preeminence.

So neither PAUL was the HEAD of Phebe even as Diotrephes (a man) was NOT the HEAD of the church wherein He occupied. HE sought “that place.” He was not to be the “preeminent” MAN among them; it’s the wrong kind of Authority.

Eph 5:23 For THE HUSBAND (not other menis THE HEAD of THE WIFE, EVEN as CHRIST is THE HEAD of THE CHURCH: and he is the saviour of the body.

Eph 5:24 Therefore as THE CHURCH (made up of both men and women) is subject UNTO CHRIST, so let WIVES be TO THEIR ~OWN HUSBANDS~ in every thing.

The MYSTERY he spoke of down a few verses was the of Christ and the Church in relation to these very things. That of a Man and a Woman.

1Cor 11:3 I would have you know, that THE HEAD of EVERY MAN is CHRIST; and THE HEAD of THE WOMAN (church made up of men and women) is THE MAN (Jesus Christ); and THE HEAD of CHRIST is GOD.

Eph 5:31-33 For this cause shall a MAN leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his WIFE, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a GREAT MYSTERY: but I speak of Christ and the Church. NEVERTHELESS let every one of you in particular so “love” his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she “reverence” her husband.

Lets look at “rule” since it shares a common definition to “succourer,” of which Phebe was. I’ll post below the definition, again, for quick comparison.

RULE

1Tim 5:17 Let the elders (presbuteros)  that RULE (proistemiWELL be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour *in the word* and *doctrine*.

The word for Rule is Proistemi

1) to set or place before a) to be set over b) to be over, to superintend, preside over c) to be a protector or ~gardian~ 1) to give aid d) to care for, give attention to 1) profess honest occupations

How’s that “above” that of Phebe” a “succourer” of many?

The word for Succourer is Prostatis (rooted in the above)

1) a woman set over others 2) a female guardianprotectress, patroness, caring for the affairs of others and aiding them with her resources

They share the same “rule,” as even e-sword adds “rule” in its definition attached to “succourer.”

This is a rule of SERVITUDE NOT LORDSHIP

1Peter 5:3 Neither as being lords over (katakurieuo) Gods heritage, (((( but being ensamples to the flock )))

Lords over katakurieuo

1) tbring under one’s powerto subject one’s self, to subdue, master 2) to hold in subjectionto be master ofexercise lordship over hello?

The stewardship in relation to the administration is endued by God, given to one for the benefit of many. It’s not an authority trip of lordship but a position of servitude.

2Cr 1:24 ~NOT~ for that WE have DOMINION OVER your faith, but are HELPERS of YOUR JOY: for by faith ye stand.

So now we can at least get a “peek” at the so-called authority and the kinds there are. The authority that was of “lordship” Jesus said “not so” and contrasted that with “diakonos” of which Phebe was (we already looked at the “words”). Even the elders who “rule well” IS synonymous with Phebe’s role, yet both are not synonymous with “authority” as Christ has shown.

So my question is where does “minister” “deacon” “servant” “or “pastor” or “shepherd” ever equal that kind of authority?

I’m not seeing it, unless it is, in fact, pre-converted Peter’s “who is the greatest syndrome.”

2Cr 10:8 For though I should boast somewhat more of our authoritywhich the LORD has given us for edification, and not for your destruction, I should not be ashamed:

For your “destruction” as in “killing another” type of authority spoken of in 1Tim?

The goal is to be led by “the Spirit”. Others can lead *by way* of *example*. To follow another’s good example in Christ is encouraged only as they “follow Christ”. This is not being led by them (whether they be male or female).

DIAKONOS is one who carries out the commands of ANOTHER, so where is being a DIAOKONS an authority in and of itself? It’s not given for anyone to have DOMINION OVER another’s faith, it’s not given to be AS LORDS OVER anyone, and being Diakonos (or servant/minister/deacon) of all is contrasted AGAINST the kind of authority NOT to be so AMONG YOU. So how does Diakonos equate with the kind of authority I see others put on it? The authority Paul spoke of was unto edification (building up others), which would need to LOWER ITSELF not exalt itself to do. To have THE RULE and rule WELL is opposed to RULING OVER OTHERS. YET others are clearly shown having THE RULE “over,” yet it’s from a place of OVERSIGHT, protection, guardianship (care), and love. It’s of servitude and not lordship. Helpers of others joy verses lords. Even elders are to be treated AS Fathers and AS mothers because of the loving nurture of such roles affectionately as the younger AS sisters and AS brothers because it’s not a dictatorship. It appears to look as though that’s all it’s perceived as though. lol

Elders (prebuteros) both male and female

1Tim 5:17 Let the elders (presbuteros) that rule (proistemi) ~well~ be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in ~the word~ and ~doctrine~.

1Tim 5:1 Rebuke not an elder (presbuteros) but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren;

1Tim 5:2 The elder women (presbuteros) as mothers; the younger as sisters, with all purity.

1Peter 5:1 The elders (presbuteroswhich are among you exhort, who am also an elder (presbuteros) and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed: Feed the flock of God which is among youtaking the oversight~thereof~, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; Neither as being ~lords over~ God’s heritagebut being ensamples to the flock.

1Peter 5:5 Likewise, ye youngersubmit yourselves unto the elderYea, all of you be subject ~one to another~, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.

2John 1:1 The elder (presbuteros) unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;

Lets take a look at the first verse posted, adding this in as it touches on the word “rule” here, as “elders” we find in 1Tim5:17. It’s the same word used for Phebe, so I’m adding these highlighted verses to help show comparisons between them on the subject of “women”.

1Tim 5:17 Let the elders (presbuteros) that rule (proistemiwell be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.

Rule here in relation to the “elders” is (proistemiit holds the same definition in relation to the “elders” (presbuteros) [male and female] as that which is used in regards to “Phebe” / “servant” (diakonos). The word succourer protasis ) “set over” “rule” it’s synonymous [see above study]

Romans 16:6 Greet Marywho bestowed much labour on us.

1Thes 5:12 we beseech you, brethren, to  KNOW THEM which labour among you, and are over (proistemi) you in the Lord, and admonish you;

Three women posted above.

Romans 16:12 Salute Tryphena and Tryphosawho labour in the LordSalute the beloved Persiswhich laboured much in the Lord.

What is “this labour” and how do we do this as unto Christ?

Heb 6:10 For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, **in that** ye have ministered (diakoneo) to the saintsand do minister.(diakoneo)

They women laboured in their love for God and “ministered unto the saints” its a labour of love and of servitude in ministering.

Phil 4:3 And I intreat thee also, true yokefellowhelp those women which laboured with me in the gospel

Gal 3:8 There is neither Jew nor Greekthere is neither bond nor freethere is neither male and female: for ye are all one *in* Christ Jesus.

This is beautiful…

1Tim 2:11 Let ~the woman~ learn ~in silence~ with all subjection. (The subjection is to the gospel of Christ and her obedience to Him (Christ)).

Luke 10:39 …~Mary~which also sat at Jesus’ feet, and ~heard~ his word. (cant HEAR with lots of NOISE)

1Tim 2:12 But I suffer not ~A woman ~to teach, nor to ~usurp authority~ over THE man, but to be in silence.

Why? The following verse ADAM (who was a FIGURE of CHRIST) was formed FIRST then EVE  

The words usurp authority used in1Tim 2:12 is authenteo means “to kill with ones own hands” or dominate“.

Given even, “the words” of the wicked (those who do evil) “lie in wait for blood” (Pro 12:6) This mirrors what Diotrephes did in 3John 1:9 He loveth “the preeminence” John said. HE desired to be FIRST, that belongs to CHRIST (Col 1:18) not HIM. As ADAM was FIRST then EVE. ADAM is a FIGURE of Christ (Rom 5:14). Diotrephes was “part of the Church” (made up of both men and women = The Woman) but even as A MAN HE is NOT the FIRST or THE HEAD of every man Christ IS. Neither was it for “him” to usurp authority (Kill or dominate) the man Jesus Christ (His body). Christ should be first and preeminent and over all in the Church.

Because of such seducers John writes we need NOT ~ANY MAN~ to teach us because ~the anointing~ teaches us all things. We are to *Learn* ~in silence~ of HIM (like Mary at The LORDS FEET) that we might ~HEAR~ HIS WORD. I don’t think its a good thing if one is ~EVER LEARNING~ and NEVER able to come to the “knowledge of the truth” though.

Therefore

Zach 2:3 Be silentO all fleshbefore the LORDfor he is raised up out of his holy habitation.

The Church ~IS~ HIS ~FLESH~

Eph 5:24 Therefore AS the church is subject unto Christso let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

1Peter 3:1 Likewise, ye wivesbe in subjection to your ~own husbands~; that, if any obey not the wordthey also may without ~the word~ be won by the ~conversation~ of the wives;

 

All blessings in Christ!

Christine

(Thank you Kim! You are always a blessing to me!)

 

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Adam and Eve as a figure of Christ and the Church

(Another one that I was supposed to bring over from my old blog a long time again, but forgot about.)

We know that Paul saw Adam as “a figure of Christ”

Romans 5:14 … Adamis the figure of HIM that was TO COME

And that Paul used the marriage relationship (husband/wife) to demonstrate the relationship between Christ and the Church.

Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning CHRIST and THE CHURCH…..

If we go back to Genesis, we know that Adam was formed out of the dust of the ground, yet EVE WAS MADE FROM THE RIB (= side-chambers or cells of the temple structure, according to Blue Letter Bible) OF ADAM…..

So looking at some of the patterns that exist between the account in Genesis of Adam and Eve and that which is written in the NT of Christ and the church we see:

Genesis

Gen 2:21 And the LORD God ~caused~ A DEEP SLEEP TO FALL UPON ADAM

Jesus

John 19:33 But when they came to JESUS and SAW HE WAS DEAD ALREADY, they brake not his legs …

Back to Genesis

Gen 2:21b ….and HE SLEPT: and he TOOK one of his RIBS, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

 

Back to Jesus

John 19:34 But ~one of the soldiers~ with A SPEAR ~PIERCED~ HIS SIDE, and forthwith ~came there~ BLOOD and WATER.

Back to Genesis

Gen 2:22 And THE RIB, which the LORD God had taken FROM MAN, made he A WOMAN

Gen 2:23 And Adam said, this is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called WOMAN, because she WAS TAKEN OUT OF MAN.

Concerning the church

Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

Back to Genesis

Gen 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man…..

Jesus said

John 6:44 No man can come to me, *except* the Father which hath sent me draw him

God MADE A WOMAN FOR THE MAN in both cases.

Eve was made AN HELP MEET FOR ADAM and God has made us ABLE MINISTERS of the BETTER COVENANT, as we are LABOURERS TOGETHER WITH GOD.

Said of Eve:

Gen 3:20 And Adam called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

Said of the New Jerusalem:

Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Jesus was not kidding when He said:

Psalm 40:7 Then said I, LO, I COME: IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME,

No wonder we are told:

Pro 25:2 It is the glory of God TO CONCEAL **A THING** , but the honour of kings is TO
SEARCH OUT A MATTER
…..
.. ..

Luke 1:35…therefore also THAT**HOLY THING** which shall be born of thee shall be called THE SON OF GOD…..

Col…. 2:3 IN WHOM ARE HID ALL THE TREASURES OF wisdom and knowledge

The LORD says…

Isaiah 45:3 And I will give thee THE TREASURES OF darkness, and HIDDEN RICHES OF SECRET PLACES, that thou mayest know that I, THE LORD, which call thee by thy name,
am the God of ….Israel…..

Paul says…

2Cr 4:7 But WE HAVE THIS TREASURE in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Again…

Col…. 1:27 To whom God would make known **what is** THE RICHES OF THE GLORY of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is CHRIST IN YOU, the hope of glory.

John 5:39 **SEARCH** THE SCRIPTURES; for IN THEM ye think ye have eternal life: and
THEY ARE THEY WHICH TESTIFY OF ME

John 5:40 And ye will not COME TO ME, that ye might have life.….

1Cor 2:9… Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, THE THINGS which God hath prepared for them that love him.

1Cr 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, THE DEEP THINGS OF GOD.

Just trying to show the patterns. The colors are supposed to help, hope it’s not “too busy”. Once again, I have to give credit to my friend Kim who I stole a bunch of this from. 🙂

I can’t help it if we think so much alike and she has more time on her hands than I do. LOL

All Blessings in Christ!!

 

 

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A look at Cain, Abel and Seth in relation to Christ and the Church

Abel-Christ_bannerGoing back to Genesis to look at Cain and Abel and Seth in relation to Christ and the Church:

Cain = the first born

Abel = the second born

Seth = “another seed” appointed by God “instead of Abel”

That which was “first“: Gen 4:2 Cain was a tiller of the ground.

That which is “second“: Gen 4:2 Abel was a keeper of sheep

Cain (that which was first) slew his brother, Abel (that which was second), which can be seen as a figure pertaining to the crucifixion of Christ.

We can see a similar pattern in Ishmael (the first, born according to the flesh) and Isaac (the second, born according to the promise).

Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that
was
born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

1Cr 15:46 Howbeit that was **not first** which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and **afterward** that which is spiritual.

1Cr 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord
from heaven
.

Cain slew Abel and God asked Cain:

Gen 4:10 What hast THOU DONE? The ~VOICE OF~ your brothers blood ~CRIETH~ UNTO ME “”””from the ground.””””

Abel’s words (the “voice” of his blood) are not recorded in the book, but later (in the NT) we hear Christ CRY OUT from the cross:

Mat 27:46 JESUS CRIED with A ~LOUD VOICE~, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, ~My GOD~ MY GOD~ Why hast thou forsaken ME?

I’m seeing this as Jesus fulfilling the words of Abel yet at the same time…

Heb 12:24 And to JESUS **the mediator of** the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that SPEAKETH BETTER THINGS than that of Abel.

How does Jesus speak better things than that of Abel?

Jesus seems to “intercede” ((being THE MEDIATOR between MAN and GOD)) on Cain’s behalf:

When God says TO CAIN

Gen 4:10 WHAT hast **THOU** DONE?

Jesus seems to ‘answer’:

Luke 23:24 Then said Jesus, Father, FORGIVE THEM; for THEY (the natural man) **KNOW NOT WHAT** THEY DO.

So while the words of Abel were never recorded in the book they appear to be recorded in the Life of the Lamb, as the FULFILLER of that which was written and as the MEDIATOR of a BETTER COVENANT.

Turning back to Genesis we see that God APPOINTS SETH in the place of ABEL:

Gen 4:25 Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me *another seed* instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

A similar “appointment” can be seen at the cross, as well:

John 19:26  When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!

Those given to stand “in Christ’s stead” = Those God “hath set” in THE CHURCH.

The SEED appointed to preach “IN HIS NAME”.

And we see that AFTER the blood of Abel was shed and “another seed” was appointed IN HIS STEAD that men BEGAN to call upon THE NAME of THE LORD.

Here Gen 4:26… **then** began men **to call upon** the name of the LORD.

No other name is given save the name of Jesus Christ by which men can be saved. It’s AFTER the blood of Abel (a pattern for Christ) that men BEGAN to call upon THE NAME OF THE LORD. Seth is appointed as even the Apostles are appointed. Since the flesh is “NOT COUNTED” AS SEED … Seth is ANOTHER SEED “in the place” (or in the STEAD) of Abel (since Cain slew Him).

It makes sense to me to regard Seth as “the second child” standing up in HIS (Abel/ Christ’s) STEAD, which can also be seen in Christ’s Apostles.

Ecc 4:13 I considered all the living which walk under the sun, with the **second child** that **shall stand up** in his stead.

2Cr 5:20 Now then **we** are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you **by us**: **we** pray you **in Christ’s stead** be ye reconciled to God.

If we look back at the generations of Adam “in the day that God CREATED man, IN THE LIKENESS OF GOD” we can see that neither Cain nor Abel are counted, only “the seed” that was “appointed” by God “instead of Abel” (ONLY SETH) is counted.

We also see what appears to be a “recounting” of the sixth day – speaking of what God CREATED as it pertains TO THEM.

Gen 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called **THEIR NAME** ADAM, “””” IN THE DAY “”” when THEY were CREATED.

Paul appears to see this here but as it pertains to Jesus Christ (as WE are CHILDREN OF **THE DAY** The Lord hath made).

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is NEITHER “”” MALE NOR FEMALE “”””: for ye are ALL ONE “”” IN CHRIST “””

Although this recount appears to reflect the sixth day, God does three things, “formed“, “made“, “created“.

He (first) FORMED Adam from the dust of the ground = FIRST MAN of THE EARTH = LIVING SOUL.

He MADE the woman (a figure of the church) from Adam’s (a figure of Christ) SIDE.

He also CREATED THEM and called THEIR NAME ADAM **IN** what’s called **THE DAY** He CREATED THEM.

God shows something first and then gives a “recount” showing FIRST – that which He does LAST.

So “how” are THEY CREATED?

Psalm 104:30 Thou SENDEST ~forth~ THY SPIRIT ,THEY ARE CREATED: and thou renewest the ~FACE OF~ the earth.

Wasn’t this speaking forward to those CREATED IN CHRIST?

Psalm 10:18 This shall be written for the generation TO COME: and ~THE PEOPLE~ which ~SHALL BE~ CREATED shall ~praise the LORD~.

HE is ~THE IMAGE~ of the invisible God. If you have ~SEEN ME~ you have ~SEEN~ the Father. He is the Fathers ~COUNTENANCE~.

God RENEWEST the face of ~THE EARTH~ or RENEWEST ~US~ (our MINDS), transforming US into HIS IMAGE = NEW MAN = INWARD MAN being RENEWED day by day.

Jesus said,

Mark 10:6 But FROM the Beginning of **THE CREATION** God made them male and female.

WHO IS???

Rev 3:14 “””These things“”” ~SAITH~ “””THE AMEN“”” the faithful and true witness, The Beginning of **THE CREATION** of God;

Keep following the verse in Mark 10:6 to

Mark 10:7 FOR THIS ~CAUSE~ shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife.

Mark 10:8 And They TWAIN shall be ONE FLESH: so then they are NO MORE TWAIN, BUT ONE FLESH.

Mark 10:9 What therefore God hath joined together, “””let not man put asunder“””

1Cr 6:17 But he that is joined unto The Lord is ONE SPIRIT.

The MYSTERY Paul said he spoke was of Christ and the Church = That man and that Woman in the similitude of Adam who is a figure even as Abel and Seth are after the same figure according to His work of salvation God hid in Christ.

Again…

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is NEITHER “”” MALE NOR FEMALE “”””: for YE ARE ALL ONE “””IN CHRIST“””

Again look…

Gen 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called THEIR NAME ADAM, “””” IN THE DAY “”” WHEN THEY WERE CREATED.

These things were NOT the VERY IMAGE OF THINGS but the law HAVING **A
SHADOW OF
**
THE GOOD THINGS
TO COME **CHRIST** WHO IS *THE LIGHT
OF*
THEM.

These were always speaking FORWARD TO CHRIST. Its NOT about ~EARTHLY~ THINGS but ~THE~ HEAVENLY THING Prov 25:2 To WHICH THING GOD DID CONCEAL in the patterns Speaking of WHICH THING Luke 1:35 IS TO and OF THE HOLY THING = Christ IN YOU. 1Cr 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthly, we “””shall“” also bear the image of the heavenly.

This is beautiful, these thing were all written for the CHOSEN GENERATION = CHOSEN IN HIM as it was preordained IN CHRIST= Which SHALL BE **CREATED** IN CHRIST= LIFE QUICKENING SPIRIT= LAST ADAM as the law itself is HAVING A SHADOW of which HE IS **THE LIGHT** = IN THAT DAY our eyes will SEE out of obscurity as God commanded THE LIGHT to shine and this in the FACE OF CHRIST of Whom the scriptures TESTIFY.

It was speaking of this…

Psalm 10:18 This shall be written for **the generation** TO COME: and ~THE PEOPLE~ which ~SHALL BE~ CREATED shall ~praise the LORD~.

1Peter 2:9 But YE ARE **a chosen generation** a royal priesthood, an holy nation, A PEULIAR PEOPLE; that ye should shew forth **the praises** of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.

THEY are only CREATED when (HE SENDS HIS SPIRIT) follow this…

John 7:39 But this spake He of THE SPIRIT , which they that believe on him should receive: for THE HOLY GHOST was NOT GIVEN; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.

This follows the same pattern set in Genesis, when He sends His Spirit

Psalm 104:30 THOU **sendest forth** THY SPIRIT , THEY are CREATED: and thou ~renewest~ the ~face of~ the earth. (ALL THINGS NEW) inward man RENEWED

HE DOES

John 20:22 when he had said this, HE BREATHED on THEM, and saith unto them, ~Receive ye~ THE HOLY GHOST:

Gen 5:2 Male and female CREATED HE ~THEM~; and **BLESSED** THEM, and called ~THEIR NAME~ ADAM, ~IN THE DAY~ (( WHEN )) THEY WERE CREATED. (No difference between male and female). Here’s where Paul saw the Last Adam
(Christ) and us CREATED
IN HIM (Being….Children ~OF~ THE DAY).

Ephes 4:24 And that ye PUT ON the NEW MAN, which AFTER GOD “”IS CREATED “””in righteousness and true holiness””””

Col 3:30 And have put on THE NEW MAN, which is renewed in knowledge AFTER the IMAGE OF HIM that CREATED HIM:

1Cr 15:46 Howbeit that was NOT FIRST which is spiritual, but that which is NATURAL; and AFTERWARD that which IS SPIRITUAL.

Romans 4:17 God, who quickeneth the dead, and **calleth those things** which be not as though they were.

God calls things that are NOT as though they were. So HE BEGINS with THE CREATED (as shown in the days) but SHOWS that part LAST *again* in Genesis 5. If you back up and look, only what is FORMED (the first man who is “a figure” of Him who was to come) is shown. Not that alone but what is MADE (as it pertains to the woman “made from” his side). Yet God does THREE things, He FORMED (the man) MADE (the woman) and CREATED THEM… THOU sendeth forth THY SPIRIT= THEY ARE CREATED = A PEOPLE to be CREATED (as in a future generation) A CHOSEN Generation.

Psalms 104:30 **When** He sends His Spirit and they are created and He renews the face of the earth.

This is kool, hard to show (going back and forth) but if you look on the SEVENTH DAY when God FINISHED THE WORK = IT IS FINISHED.

Look at that day and what’s accounted for.

ONLY what is MADE and CREATED is present and what is FORMED is NOT THERE (as if made VOID). BUT it shows A MIST (masculine noun) WENT UP and watered the whole surface of the ground.

That’s even a picture of Christ who YEILDED UP His Spirit.

It’s like this continuing circuit with a circular pattern that keeps repeating itself all pointing to Him, the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Lo I COME in the volume of the book it is written OF ME, Christ says, The scriptures testify OF ME.

All Blessings in Christ.

Christine

 

 

 

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DIVINATION, WITCHCRAFT and SORCERY

Divination

Looking at what it means to TRUST IN THE WORD OF THE LORD and what the scriptures say about those who rebel against it.

Isaiah 30:9 These are A REBELLIOUS PEOPLE, deceitful children, children UNWILLING TO LISTEN TO THE LORD’S INSTRUCTION.

And where do we find the Lord’s instruction?

2Titus 3:16 ALL SCRIPTURE IS GIVEN BY INSPIRATION OF GOD, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, FOR INSTRUCTION in righteousness:

Rebelled against what, again?

Psalm 107:11 Because THEY REBELLED AGAINST THE WORDS OF GOD, and contemned THE COUNSEL OF THE MOST HIGH.

Again His words (the scriptures) are for our instruction. What’s contemning His counsel?

Pro 22:17-21 Bow down thine ear, and HEAR THE WORDS OF THE WISE, and apply thine heart unto my knowledge. For it is a pleasant thing IF THOU KEEP THEM WITHIN THEE; they shall withal be fitted in thy lips. THAT THY TRUST MAY BE IN THE LORD, I have made known to thee this day, even to thee. Have not I written to thee excellent things in counsels and knowledge, THAT I MIGHT MAKE THEE KNOW THE CERTAINTY OF THE WORDS OF TRUTH; that thou mightest answer the words of truth to them that send unto thee?

Look again

Pro 1:25 But ye have SET AT NOUGHT all my counsel, and would NONE OF MY REPROOF:

Reproof, where do we receive reproof? (rehighlighted to show a consistent pattern toward His words)

2Titus 3:16 ALL SCRIPTURE IS GIVEN BY INSPIRATION OF GOD, and is profitable for doctrine, FOR REPROOF, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Hear counsel (what is written) receive “instruction” (that is what the scriptures are for) to be “wise” in thy “latter end”

Pro 19:20 HEAR COUNSEL, and RECEIVE INSTRUCTION, that thou mayest BE WISE in thy latter end.

Are the scriptures shown again?

2Titus 3:15 …that FROM A CHILD THOU HAST KNOWN THE HOLY SCRIPTURES, which are ABLE TO MAKE THEE WISE UNTO SALVATION **through faith** which is in Christ Jesus.

It’s HIS COUNSEL which stands!!. HIS WORDS are fulfilled, not anyone else’s words!

Diviners lie, they do this in saying “the Lord says” when He has NOT SPOKEN.

They speak NOT HIS WORDS but THEIR OWN WORDS but they SAY (as it is written) “the Lord saith”.

Eze 13:6 THEIR VISIONS ARE FALSE and THEIR DIVINATIONS A LIE. They SAY, “The Lord declares,” when the Lord HAS NOT SENT THEM; yet THEY EXPECT THEIR WORDS to be fulfilled.

Desiring God to fulfill their words, that pertaining to their own lusts that it might be spent on their own pleasures. Sorta like a spell (utterance) of their words (according to their lusts) to get ones own way.

So they rejected the word, they rejected knowledge, and they cast His words behind them. They wanted nothing of His counsel, reproof or instruction (that which pertains to the scriptures themselves). They would say “the Lord declares” what He did not and yet they expected “their words” to be fulfilled. His very own people were listening to just about anybody.

How do we know if someone has any light “in them”?

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: IF THEY SPEAK NOT ACCORDING TO THIS WORD, it is because THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM.

Look what Paul writes…

1Cr 9:8 Say I these things as A MAN? or saith not THE LAW the SAME also?

He says: “Say I these things AS A MAN? He speaks TO THE LAW which says the SAME, right?

So is it good to trust in man?

Jer 17:5 Thus saith the LORD; CURSED be the man THAT TRUSTETH IN MAN and MAKETH FLESH HIS ARM, and WHOSE HEART DEPARTETH FROM THE LORD.

God is not a man that he should lie, and if one be cursed in trusting in a man (and making flesh his arm) it shows one’s heart is departing from the Lord.

Paul speaks of us taking heed lest there be in any of us an evil heart of “unbelief” in departing from the living God (Who is our living water) without Whom we can do nothing!

Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, IN DEPARTING FROM THE LIVING GOD.

Paul said: “Let God be true and every man a liar.” Amen?

Romans 3:4 …LET GOD BE TRUE, but EVERY MAN A LIAR; as it is written, That thou mightest be JUSTIFIED IN THY SAYINGS, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

Look at this. It speaks to us of “trying those” who “say” they are apostles and are “found liars,” right?

Rev 2:2 … thou hast tried them WHICH SAY they are apostles, AND ARE NOT, and hast FOUND THEM LIARS:

How is one actually “found a liar”?

Pro 30:6 ADD THOU ~NOT~ unto HIS WORDS, lest he reprove ~thee~, and ~THOU~ BE FOUND A LIAR.

Acts 17:7 These were MORE NOBLE than those in Thessalonica, in that THEY RECEIVED THE WORD with all readiness of mind, and SEARCHED THE SCRIPTURES DAILY, whether those things were so.

We are to abide “in His Word” and His Word “in us.” If any man CONSENT NOT TO HIS WHOLESOME WORDS they (in my eyes) are untrustworthy to be committed with the oracles of God. We are admonished to PROVE ALL THINGS, “Judge ye what I SAY” exercise ourselves unto discernment, grow by pure words etc.

As I pointed out in my study of false prophets, the Lord USES THEM “to prove” US, to see whether OR NOT “we love” HIM.

We “test the prophets” by comparing THEIR WORDS ~to~ HIS!

Now Paul says, “WHO has bewitched you?” In relation to those who wanted to make a “shew in the flesh”

Who were folks listening to?

Deu 18:14 The nations you will dispossess LISTEN TO THOSE WHO PRACTICE SORCERY or DIVINATION. But AS FOR YOU, the Lord your God HAS NOT PERMITTED YOU TO DO SO.”

It was “by sorcery” THE NATIONS “were deceived” in Rev 18:23.

Simon used sorcery.

Acts 8:9 But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city USED SORCERY, and BEWITCHED THE PEOPLE of Samaria, GIVING OUT that HIMSELF was **some great one**.

Rebellion is equated with the sin of “divination” (or witchcraft) and divination is speaking ONES OWN WORDS and attaching, “the Lord saith” TO THEM. It’s also shown as “rebellion” as it pertains to rebelling AGAINST “HIS WORDS”.

1Sam 15:23 For REBELLION IS LIKE THE SIN OF DIVINATION, and ARROGANCE LIKE THE EVIL OF IDOLATRY. Because you have REJECTED THE WORD OF THE LORD, he has REJECTED YOU.

Worth repeating….

Pro 30:6 ADD THOU ~NOT~ unto HIS WORDS, lest he reprove ~thee~, and ~THOU~ BE FOUND A LIAR.

The Lord does not take kindly to those who ADD TO HIS WORDS, nor to those who FOLLOW AFTER those who do. Again, He USES “them” TO PROVE “us.”

If someone has to discredit the Bible, which contains the written record of that which the Lord has already spoken though His chosen Prophets and Apostle, in order to preach some “new revelation from God,” then I think we can be certain they are not preaching “His words,” but “their own words.” Let us not follow after them.

God has provided us with the scriptures for a reason!! They bear witness of THE TRUTH.

All Blessings in Christ,
Christine

[Note: I am NOT suggesting that the scriptures do not need to be “rightly divided.” I have no problem at all with discussing issues with translation or interpretation, especially interpretation. Just trying to show that the scriptures are valuable and they allow us to “test” those who claim to be Prophets of God, though they come preaching “a different gospel,” founded upon some “new revelation.”]

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The DAY of the Lord

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Talking today on Facebook about “the day of the Lord” and when it comes. This was my response. Thought I would just save it here, though it’s nothing new, really….

To me, “the DAY of the Lord” simply speaks to “the LIGHT.”

When God divided THE LIGHT from THE DARKNESS, He called the light DAY and He called the darkness NIGHT! And we know that God lives in THE LIGHT, where there is NO DARKNESS. So the DAY of the Lord “comes” when that LIGHT “shines” in the darkness – that we live in… where we SLEEP… where THE DEAD are.

Notice that Paul uses the creation account in Genesis when speaking of the light shining in our hearts:

“For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.” (2Co 4:6)

Peter speaks of this, as well:

“We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto A LIGHT THAT SHINETH IN A DARK PLACE, UNTIL THE DAY DAWN, AND THE DAY STAR ARISE IN YOUR HEARTS:” (2Pe 1:19)

This speaks of Christ who IS “the bright and morning star.” (Rev 22:16) the “Sun of righteousness,” (Mal 4:2)

Notice who Paul tells believers they are:

“Ye are all the children OF LIGHT, and the children OF THE DAY: we are not of THE NIGHT, nor of DARKNESS.” (1Th 5:5)

The call has gone out….”Awake thou that SLEEPEST, and arise from THE DEAD, and Christ shall give thee LIGHT.” (Eph 5:14)

And where do the dead, those who sleep, sleep? If we keep reading in 1Th 5:

“Ye are all the children OF LIGHT, and the children OF THE DAY: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore LET US NOT SLEEP, as do others; but LET US WATCH and be sober. FOR THEY THAT SLEEP SLEEP IN THE NIGHT; and they that be drunken are drunken IN THE NIGHT. But let us, WHO ARE OF THE DAY, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,” (1Th 5:5-9)

The word for “children” in this passage is “uihos” and it refers to “sons.” This might seem like a trivial detail that doesn’t really matter, but I believe it’s hugely significant. Something we have lost in translation is all of the various Greek words the NT writers used to refer to “babes” and “toddlers” and “young men” (and women) … those who are “children” of various ages (and stages of spiritual maturity). But he who is led by the spirit of God is called “a son.” Right? This is why salvation pertains to those who have been “delivered of”‘ THE CHILD and received “the adoption of” (or placement of) SONS.. and A MAN is born into the world. (Both Jesus and Paul speak of this.) This MAN, this SON, is JESUS CHRIST…. THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD that shines THROUGH US…. making “us” SONS OF GOD (having received “the spirit of His Son” by which we cry Abba, Father).

This is why Paul said that our “hope of glory” is “Christ in you.”

As I see it, the DAY of the Lord is ever present. It doesn’t really come or go, as we think of days (and nights). It only “comes” in the sense that Christ (who is that light) “comes” to dwell in us, to shine as a light in our hearts… bringing us out of the darkness and into the light… out of the night (awaking us from sleep / resurrecting us from the dead) and into the day, making us “the children of the light, and the children of the day.” Even “children (again, SONS) of the resurrection.” (Luke 20:36)

Have you ever notices that the “thousand years” (that is AS ONE DAY to the Lord) is also connected to A WATCH IN THE NIGHT, which is AS YESTERDAY when it is PAST? (ONE DAY divided into TWO – yesterday and today… THE NIGHT and THE DAY… a “thousand years twice told” Ecc 6:6)

“For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.” (Psa 90:4)

Which all goes right back to Genesis and God dividing the light from the darkness and calling THE LIGHT “DAY” and THE DARKNESS “NIGHT”. (No wonder Jesus asked: “Are there not 12 hours IN THE DAY?”)

So, in short, I do not see the day of the Lord as a future event… or a past event…. but a present reality that believers “enter into” by faith through grace. It is simply the dwelling place of God. I believe the reason scriptures tie it to the manifestation of Christ in the flesh is because that is our hope of glory…. Christ IN THE FLESH… Christ IN US.

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I also believe that is why the manifestation of Christ in the flesh happened at “the end of the age” (“world” in the KJV, but the Greek word is aion, which means “age”)… Jesus is the pattern SON and he is “revealed” as we become SONS.

Notice that Paul speaks of those “under the law” as CHILDREN (no different than servants), under tutors and governors, UNTIL THE APPOINTED TIME. And he said that Christ came to redeem those under the law (children) that they might receive “the adoption of SONS.”

It’s all about Jesus Christ, every bit of it…. the SON of God…. and not just Jesus as a single man, but about who we are IN CHRIST as sonS of God…. part of the same ONE BODY that is “the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON of God.” ONE NEW MAN “created” IN CHRIST.

Not “formed” out of the dust of the ground, as the first man Adam is/was, but “created” in the image of God.

Check this out:

“Thou sendest forth thy spirit, THEY ARE CREATED: and thou renewest the face of THE EARTH.“ (Psa 104:30)

God breathes LIFE into DUST… first FORMED…. To CREATE man in His own image and likeness.

“This shall be written for THE GENERATION TO COME: and the people WHICH SHALL BE CREATED shall praise the LORD. ” (Psa 102:18)

There is a “chosen generation,” the “generation of Jesus Christ,” made up of those who shall declare the glory of God.

“For we are his workmanship, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”  (Eph 2:10)

All Blessings in Christ!
Christine

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False Prophets

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1) one who, acting the part of a divinely inspired prophet, utters falsehoods under the name of divine prophecies 2) a false prophet

Ezekiel speaks of false prophets, those who come in the Lord’s name declaring “the Lord saith” when He has not spoken.

Eze 13:6-7 They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The LORD saith: and the LORD hath not sent them: and they have made others to hope that they would confirm the word. Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The LORD saith it; albeit I have not spoken?

Eze 13:8 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord GOD.

Jeremiah also:

Jer 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.

Jer 23:31 Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith.

We have “an example” in Hananiah of whom Jeremiah speaks:

Jer 28:1-4 …. Hananiah the son of Azur the prophet, which was of Gibeon, spake unto me in the house of the LORD, in the presence of the priests and of all the people, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, saying, I have broken the yoke of the king of Babylon. Within two full years will I bring again into this place all the vessels of the LORD’S house, that Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon took away from this place, and carried them to Babylon: And I will bring again to this place Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah, with all the captives of Judah, that went into Babylon, saith the LORD: for I will break the yoke of the king of Babylon.

Jer 28:6-8 Then the prophet Jeremiah said, Amen the LORD do so: the LORD perform THY WORDS which THOU hast prophesied, to bring again the vessels of the LORD’S house, and all that is carried away captive, from Babylon into this place. Nevertheless HEAR thou now THIS WORD that I speak in thine ears, and in the ears of all the people; The prophets that have been BEFORE ME and BEFORE THEE of old prophesied both against many countries, and against great kingdoms, of war, and of evil, and of pestilence.

Jer 28:9 The prophet which prophesieth of peace, when the word of the prophet shall come to pass, then shall the prophet be known, that the LORD hath truly sent him.

Jer 28:10-11 Then Hananiah the prophet took the yoke from off the prophet Jeremiah’s neck, and brake it. And Hananiah spake in the presence of all the people, saying, Thus saith the LORD; Even so will I break the yoke of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon from the neck of all nations within the space of two full years.And the prophet Jeremiah went his way.

Jer 28:12-14 Then the word of the LORD came unto Jeremiah the prophet, after that Hananiah the prophet had broken the yoke from off the neck of the prophet Jeremiah, saying, Go and tell Hananiah, saying, Thus saith the LORD; Thou hast broken the yokes of wood; but thou shalt make for them yokes of iron. For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; I have put a yoke of iron upon the neck of all these nations, that they may serve Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon; and they shall serve him: and I have given him the beasts of the field also.

Jer 28:15 Then said the prophet Jeremiah unto Hananiah the prophet, Hear now, Hananiah; The LORD hath not sent thee; but thou makest this people to trust in a lie.

Jer 28:16 Therefore thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will cast thee from off the face of the earth: this year thou shalt die, because thou hast taught rebellion against the LORD.

In 1 Samuel we read that “rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft” (same as “divination”)

1Sa 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

The Lord does not take such rebellion lightly! He will not stand for those who speak in His name when He has not commanded them to speak:

Duet 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

Peter warns of false prophets, as well:

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Going back to Deuteronomy…

Duet 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

Interestingly, the Lord says He will answer men according to the idols of their heart:

Eze 14:2-5 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, these men have set up their idols in their heart, and put the stumblingblock of their iniquity before their face: should I be enquired of at all by them? Therefore speak unto them, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Every man of the house of Israel that setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to the prophet; I the LORD will answer him that cometh according to the multitude of his idols; That I may take the house of Israel in their own heart, because they are all estranged from me through their idols.

1Kings 22:20 And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner. And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him. And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

Is this “the mystery of iniquity” that is at work “in them who perish”, who “had pleasure in unrighteousness”, of which Paul speaks?

2Th 2:7-12 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Seems as though that “lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets” is one whose “coming is after the working of Satan”, doesn’t it?

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Back again to the OT:

2Ch 18:22 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil against thee.

Maybe that’s why Paul says…

1Cr 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

Jesus said the same:

Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

Which is in accordance with the Law:

Deu 17:6 At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.

Deu 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.

In other words “prove all things”!! (1Th 5:21)

In Rom 3:4, Paul says: “Let God be true, but every man a liar.” Maybe that’s because it is by our words that we are either “justified” or “condemned”. (Mat 12:37)

Here Paul appeals to that which “is written” (just as Jesus often did), just as he also (elsewhere) appeals to that which “also saith the law”.

The LORD says for those who have HIS WORD to speak HIS WORD FAITHFULLY!

Jer 23:28 The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath MY WORD, let him speak MY WORD faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD.

Just as Jeremiah and Hananiah (both prophets) both spoke before the people, Jeremiah referred to the prophets before him, establishing the validity of his words. Just as Jesus also referred to that which was written by the prophets who came before Him. The same with Paul who referred to the law and the prophets to establish his words – commending those, like the Bereans, who searched the scriptures daily in order to determine whether or not what He was preaching was true. (Acts 17:11)

Jesus said that those who do not love him will not keep his sayings (which words are not His, but the Father’s). And just as we are told to prove all things, we are told how He proves us!!

Duet 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, TO KNOW whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

And He is, here, speaking of those who come WITH signs and wonders!! Recall that Paul speaks of him “whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders.” We are not to go after them!!

We are to PROVE THEM for God uses them TO PROVE US!!

Jesus said “the thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy..’ (John 10:10)

And He says that false prophets are guilty of stealing His words. (Jer 23:30)

In the parable of the seed and the sower, Jesus says “the seed is the word of God” and He says that it is Satan who comes and takes away the word that was sown in the hearts of those by the way side. So, again, we see the working of Satan as it pertains to the words of God and whether or not they are being kept.

Every word of God is pure!! We need not (and should not) take anything away from HIS WORDS, add anything to HIS WORDS, or change HIS WORDS.

Pro 30:5-6 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust IN HIM. Add thou not unto HIS WORDS, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

As we saw in 1 Sam 15:23, rebellion is equated with the sin of divination (or witchcraft), which is speaking one’s own words and attaching, “the Lord saith” to them. It is rejecting the word of the Lord.

1Sam 15:23 For rebellion is like the sin of divination, and arrogance like the evil of idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the Lord, he has rejected you.

Where do we find His word?

Paul said: “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:” (2Tim 3:16)

It is HIS COUNSEL which stands. It is HIS WORDS that are fulfilled, not someone else’s words. But they say “the Lord saith” and expect their own words to be fulfilled.

So God’s people rejected knowledge, and they cast His words behind them. They wanted nothing of His counsel, reproof or instruction (that which pertains to the scriptures themselves). They were listening to just about anybody.

So how do we know if someone has any light “in them”?

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Paul appealed to the law.

1Cr 9:8 Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?

We are NOT to put our trust IN MAN.

Jer 17:5 Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

Paul speaks of us taking heed lest there be in any of us an evil heart of “unbelief” in departing from the living God (Who is our living water) without whom we can do nothing.

Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

Again, we are to “let God be true, but every man a liar!” That we might be justified in our own sayings and overcome when we are judged – being either justified or condemned by our words; therefore, let OUR words be HIS WORDS.

Revelation speaks of those who have “tried” those who “say they are apostles” (but were not) and “found them liars.” And we have already shown how one is found to be “a liar”, right?

Prov 30:6 ADD THOU NOT unto HIS WORDS, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

The Bereans “searched the scriptures” in order to “prove” Paul. Paul himself wrote:

2Titus 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Paul was very careful not to add to the words of the Lord. We can see that when Paul speaks of having “no commandment of the Lord”, when he shares his own judgment.

1Cr 7:25 Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.

Paul, as did Jesus, appealed to the law and the prophets as he preached the gospel. He preached Jesus Christ as the fulfillment of all that was written; for, as Jesus said, it was written of Him. Paul did NOT preach some “new thing”, some “new revelation”, or some “new word”. He (like Jesus) opened up the scriptures that we might begin to see “the mysteries” that were kept hid in “dark sayings of old”.

We are to abide in HIS WORDS and His words IN US. If any man consent NOT to His wholesome words they are untrustworthy to be committed with the oracles of God. We are admonished to “prove all things,” to exercise discernment, and grow in the knowledge of the truth.

Isaiah 34:16 SEEK YE OUT OF THE BOOK OF THE LORD, AND READ: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for MY MOUTH it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.

Scripture is where we find His words. Let us listen TO HIM!

Prov 4:20 MY SON, attend to MY WORDS; incline thine ear unto MY SAYINGS.

Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let GOD BE TRUE, but EVERY MAN A LIAR; as it is written, That thou mightest be JUSTIFIED in THY SAYINGS, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

1Cr 2:5 That your faith should NOT stand in THE WISDOM OF MEN, but in the power of God.

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: IF they speak NOT according to THIS WORD, it is because there is NO LIGHT IN THEM.

1Tim 6:3-4 If any man teach OTHERWISE, and CONSENT NOT to WHOLESOME WORDS, even THE WORDS OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing… destitute of the truth… from such withdraw thyself.

Jer 35:13 … Will ye NOT receive instruction to hearken to MY WORDS? saith the LORD.

Psalm 50:17 Seeing thou hatest instruction, and casteth MY WORDS behind thee.

Prov 5:7 Hear me now therefore, O ye children, and depart not FROM the words of MY MOUTH.

Psalm 40:4 Blessed is that man that maketh the LORD his trust, and respecteth not the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies.

Jer 23:22 But if they had stood in MY COUNSEL, and had caused my people to hear MY WORDS, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.

Jer 13:10 This evil people, which refuse to hear MY WORDS, which walk in the imagination of their heart, and walk after other gods, to serve them, and to worship them, shall even be as this girdle, which is good for nothing.

Ezek 2:7 And thou shalt speak MY WORDS unto them, whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear: for they are most rebellious.

John 8:47 He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Psalm 56:5 Every day they wrest my words: all their thoughts are against me for evil.

Seems Peter believed they continued to wrest with the words of the LORD, as they did wrest with Paul’s epistles, as well.

2Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Let us seek THE LORD and HIS WORD!

All Blessings in Christ!
Christine

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WHOM DO YOU SAY THAT I THE SON OF MAN AM?

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When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. (Mat 16:13-19)

What does all of this mean? Obviously Jesus was referring to himself as “the Son of man”, which he did many times. And this “Son of man” is mentioned many times in the OT and it was this confession that got Jesus in trouble with the Jews. They knew exactly who Jesus was claiming to be!

So who is this SON OF MAN? And was Jesus telling Simon Barjona that He was going to build His church on him (Simon, whose name He changed to Peter)? Or does it go deeper than that?

We’re all familiar with the claim that Jesus built the church on Peter. We have probably heard the Protestant argument that it was not Peter, but Peter’s confession of who Jesus was (the Christ, the Son of the living God) that the church was to be built on. But could it go even deeper than that, straight to the heart of THE QUESTION that Jesus asked: “Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

Again, WHO IS THIS SON OF MAN?

Is it Jesus? I think the answer is YES…. AND NO!

The answer is yes, in the sense that this is clearly a reference to Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God. But does it refer to “only Jesus”? No, I don’t believe Jesus is talking about just himself and I think we can get a glimpse of that in Peter’s response:

Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God!

Clearly these words describe Jesus but how do they relate to THE SON OF MAN?

Once more, WHO IS THE SON OF MAN?

Well, we now know:

THE SON OF MAN = THE CHRIST = THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD

So it can’t be about just this “one man” (Jesus), can it? It is, certainly, about Him; but could it be about the ONE NEW MAN “created” IN CHRIST?

Scripture seems to speak of only two men – two “Adams” – the “first man Adam” who is “of the earth” (who we see in Gen 2) and Christ, the “Last Adam” or “the second man” WHO IS “the Lord from heaven” (who I believe we see in Gen 1, as the man “created in the image of God”). It is THIS MAN who God calls “very good”, it is THIS MAN who God gives dominion over the earth, it is THIS MAN who God tells to “be fruitful and multiply” (not the man in Gen 2 whom God “formed out of the dust of the ground”).

When we think of “Christ” (the Son of God, the Son of man) we think of Jesus. But Jesus said: “Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.” (Luke 9:58) However, Heb 10:5 speaks of A BODY that was prepared. This speaks to “the body of Christ”, which is the church, and it is ONE BODY, joined by ONE SPIRIT (the spirit OF CHRIST), with ONE HEAD (CHRIST, whose head is God). Seems to me that THIS IS THE SON OF MAN!! And it is “the Son of man” because it is A MAN (CHRIST) “birthed” IN MAN “by” THE POWER OF GOD (of whom Jesus Christ is THE FIGURE, THE MANIFESTATION, THE REVELATION).

Just as Jesus was “born of a woman” so is THE SON OF MAN “born of a woman” (THE BRIDE OF CHRIST = THE CHURCH). I believe that Paul speaks of this when he speaks of being “a child” and becoming “a man”. He speaks of “travailing in birth” AGAIN with those whom he called “my little children” as he waits for CHRIST “to be formed” IN THEM (= CHRIST IN YOU, THE HOPE OF GLORY).

The WOMAN gives birth “and HER CHILD was caught up unto God, and to his throne”. This is what I believe Paul was talking about when he said; “But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding SHE SHALL BE SAVED IN CHILDBEARING, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.” (1Ti 2:12-15)

This “woman” (EVE) is THE CHURCH (male AND female) and she is birthing A SON (A MAN) INTO THE WORLD…. THE SON OF GOD.

This is the same thing that Jesus was talking about when he told his disciples that they (all MEN, according to the flesh – but THE BRIDE OF CHRIST, according to the Spirit) would be “as A WOMAN whose hour is come TO BE DELIVERED OF THE CHILD” (and their SORROW would be TURNED INTO JOY that A MAN was born into the world).

Paul wrote: “For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.” (2Co 4:6)

Seems to me that Jesus Christ is called “the ONLY begotten Son of God” because God has ONLY ONE SON – ONE MAN – ONE HEAD, ONE BODY (many members). This has to be why Paul could say that ALL MEN were “crucified with Christ”.

It is the spirit of Christ IN MAN that makes us ONE MAN who is both THE SON OF MAN and THE SON OF GOD (Christ Jesus for there is NONE OTHER NAME under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved”).

SO AMAZING!!!! GOD IS SOOOOO GOOD!!!!

I can’t even imagine why people throw away their bibles, you can’t make this stuff up!!

This is THE WORD OF GOD!

The testimony of THE FATHER concerning HIS SON!!!

Think about it!! God called Isaac, who was a figure of Christ, Abraham’s ONLY SON!!

Isaac was not Abraham’s “only child”, but God said he was his ONLY SON. Why?

God promised Abraham (AN OLD MAN) A SON!! (Do you see the picture??)

A SON was GIVEN to Abraham IN HIS OLD AGE (“at the set time”)

And Abraham was an hundred years old, when his son Isaac was born unto him. (Gen 21:5)

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There shall be NO MORE thence an infant of days, nor an OLD MAN that hath not FILLED HIS DAYS: for THE CHILD shall DIE an HUNDRED YEARS OLD; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be “accursed”. (Isaiah 65:20)

We could just keep turning these things over and over, but it’s ALL about “Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God”.

Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me, (Psa 40:7)

The Law and the Prophets testified of ONE MAN: THE SON OF GOD, JESUS CHRIST, who is THE SON OF MAN, THE CHRIST, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD!!

AND THIS IS “THE MYSTERY”…. CHRIST “IN YOU”, THE HOPE OF GLORY

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. (Rom 8:14)

So much more could be written on this. I didn’t even touch on Ezekiel here, but this will have to do… for now. 🙂

ALL BLESSING “IN CHRIST”, AMEN!!

Christine

P.S. I almost forgot…. upon this rock I will build my church

That “Rock” IS JESUS CHRIST!!

He is THE FOUNDATION upon which THE CHURCH (HIS BODY) is built!

For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. (1Co 3:11)

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