Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together

When it comes to “not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together”, what does that mean?

Heb 10:25  Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

So many, even a great many, Christians read this single verse of scripture and claim that the writer of this letter to the Hebrews is talking about the physical gathering together of believers in worship. They accuse those who do not participate in a structured worship service of being in violation of the scriptures and this verse in particular.

Unfortunately, this is what happens when you take one verse of scripture and use it as a “proof text” without reading the whole passage in order to understand its context. Though I am not one to jump up and down yelling and screaming “context, context, context”, let’s at least consider the subject and context of this passage. Is the writer even addressing a physical gathering together of believers in worship? Or is this author trying to tell us not to forsake the fact that we have all been “gathered together” by baptism through one spirit into one body, the body of Christ? Pointing out that it is this “gathering together” of all men into “one body” that some were forsaking?

Let us look at the whole passage and not just one verse. Let us go back not only to the beginning of this chapter but to Chapter 9 which contains another verse of scripture (Heb 9:27) that I believe is often misused and misquoted as a “proof text” by those who want to prove that judgment comes after physical death, rather than “in the earth”  (Pro 11:31), though the passage is not speaking about the deaths of all men, or each man individually, but the death of one man, Jesus Christ, of which it says “and after this the judgment”. And did Jesus not say: “now is the judgment of this world” (John 12:31)? But that is discussed in other blogs, so I will not dwell on that here.

If we look at this entire passage in Hebrews we can see that it is about the one sacrifice that was made for all through the body and blood of Jesus Christ, through which came the propitiation for sin and the reconciliation of the world. It is about “the law having a shadow of good things to come”. It is about the fact that “we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all” and the fact that “by one offering he hath perfected forever them that are sanctified”. It is about taking away the first (covenant) in order to establish the second (covenant).  And didn’t Jesus say: “And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me”?

How many times have we heard our Christian brothers and sisters, or even said ourselves, that while we are to love our neighbors as ourselves those “neighbors”, unless they are “believers”, are not a part of “the body of Christ”; that the body of Christ is made up of believers only; that all others are outside of “the body” and not a part of the “the church” of Jesus Christ; that only believers have been “gathered together” into this one body, the body of Christ, the church?

Certainly, especially today with all of our church buildings, when we think of “the church” we think of those “believers” who gather together in them; we think of those who identify themselves as “Christian”. In some cases we will even claim that not all Christians are “true Christians” and only “true Christians” are a part of “the body of Christ” or the “true Church”.  But if all men have been gathered together into “one body”, whether bond or free, Jew or Gentiles, male or female, then can there be but ONE BODY? The “one body” into which all men have been “gathered together”?

Let us look at what the scriptures have to say:

God was in Christ reconciling THE WORLD unto himself, not imputing their (THE WORLD’S) trespasses unto them; (2Co 5:14-21)

Creating ONE NEW MAN (Eph 2:15)

Wherefore henceforth know we NO MAN after the flesh: (2Co 5:16)

For he is our peace, WHO HATH MADE BOTH (Jew and Gentile) ONE, having broken down the middle wall of partition between us; (Eph 2:14)

Reconciling BOTH unto God IN ONE BODY by the cross (Eph 2:16)

There is ONE BODY, ONE SPIRITONE GOD AND FATHER OF ALL, who is ABOVE ALL, and THROUGH ALL, and IN YOU ALL. (Eph 4:6)

The body IS ONE… whether Jew or Gentile, bond or free (1 Co 12:12-14)

Christ IS ALL AND IN ALL (Col 3:11)

That is only a small list of all of the verses that could be listed here. Paul was very clear that it was “when we were dead in sins” that God “quickened us together with Christ”, for it is “by grace” that we are saved:

Eph 2:4-9   But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved);  And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:  That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.  For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:  Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Paul also clearly tells us that as many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into His death. And having been baptized into His death we should also walk in the newness of life, knowing the power of His resurrection:

Rom 6:3-8   Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?  Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.  For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:  Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.  For he that is dead is freed from sin.  Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

For we know that… if we be DEAD WITH HIM, we shall also LIVE WITH HIM!!

You see, even “the dead” are “in Christ”, for “if one died for all, then were all dead”. This is why those who are alive and remain shall not prevent those who sleep, for “the dead in Christ shall rise first”. It can be no other way, for all were dead and Jesus Christ is the resurrection!!  It is “the dead” who are in need of “the resurrection of the dead”. Those who are “alive” have already PASSED from death unto life. They HAVE eternal life (that life that is IN THE SON) abiding in them (Christ in you, the hope of glory). They are “as the angels of God in heaven” and cannot die any more. They know THE POWER of HIS RESURRECTION (= THE FIRST resurrection and blessed and holy is he that hath part in it).  They no longer walk in darkness being children OF THE NIGHT. They are children OF THE DAY, children OF THE RESURRECTION. But, again, that is covered in other blogs so I will not elaborate here.

Yet some will still claim that unless we “believe” or unless we have “accepted the free gift” of salvation that Jesus Christ offers us, then we are not only not a part of His body, having been reconciled to the Father through the Son, we may very well be on that wide road that leads to destruction, to unending torment (or annihilation, depending on their particular flavor of “eternal punishment”).

When it comes to “the body of Christ”, to “the church”, many are quick to claim that while they are a part of it the majority of us are not. They will say they love their neighbors, but they will not see them as or call them their “brothers” (or “sisters”) in Christ.

However, the scriptures clearly tell us that even when it comes to our “neighbors” we are “members one of another”

Eph 4:25  Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.

Therefore:

Heb 10:24-27 … let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

So while that may be “the manner of some”, let us not be counted among them!

Let not the eye say to the hand or the head to the foot: “I have no need of thee”, as there should be “no schism in the body”. Let us remember that it is God who has tempered the body together and it is He who places us in the body, as He sees fit to place us. (1 Cor 12).

Let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works, not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is!

All Blessings in Christ!

Christine

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My name is Christine and since my favorite past-time, the one that I find the most fulfilling, is studying the scriptures and seeking to know and understand "the deep things of God", I have created this blog as a place to not only post my own bible studies but as a way to connect with others who are are also seeking the Lord and the Truth. I've posted some of my studies on other websites and haven't yet decided if I will post them here, as well, or if I will just post future blogs/studies here. We'll see. Thanks for stopping by and please do so again... maybe after I get something posted. :) ALL BLESSINGS IN CHRIST!!
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8 Responses to Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together

  1. David Larsen says:

    A thought. John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
    There is a great deal of diffrence between all men being in God and Christ Gods word being in all men. It is a on going process that for some will take more time then they have here.
    Even though all have been made free if they dont believe it will not do them a bit of good.
    With out faith it is impossible to please God or enter the kingdom of God even though all has been made ready even now.

  2. Christine says:

    Hi Dave. Thanks for the comment. I think we have to take into consideration the fact that Christ is “the light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world”. Therefore, all men have Christ in them. Their condemnation is that the light came into the world and the world comprehended it not, for it did not come to the light because it preferred the darkness (because the truth is made manifest by the light), right?

    So Christ is that light/life that is HID (and remember that hades = unseen) within all of us and it is not until He who is our life APPEARS (Christ being formed in us) that we APPEAR WITH HIM in glory (Christ in you, the hope of glory!!). This is what Paul waited for, right? For Christ to be formed in them.

    So while we are “in Christ” and Christ is “in us”, we have to decrease so that He can increase. Until that happens we shall remain “dead” in our sins, and “dead” in Christ, and Christ dead/crucified in us (see my post on the skull).

    As I see it, we do not gain eternal life (which is “to know God and Jesus Christ whom He sent”), until He who is that life is made manifest in us. When He is made manifest in us (and that “wicked one” is consumed by the brightness of His coming) then is death swallowed up of life and a “son of God” made manifest. Then shall the wheat shine forth in the kingdom of God!! But not until we have been “born again”. Born by that incorruptible seed that is the Word of God. Quickened by the spirit of God that bears witness to our spirit that we are the children of God. The outward must perish; it is the inward man that is renewed day by day, as “the second man” IS THE LORD FROM HEAVEN! God commanded the light to shine out of darkness, so that He can separate THE DAY from THE NIGHT. But we should not forget that He has a covenant with both!

  3. David Larsen says:

    I can tell you that you get on dangerous ground with the Christ is in all men already idea. One of the problems with Gary Sieglar and the other site you have Jacobs Ladder. If this is true the end of it is no need of the cross and the virgin birth and in the end the Christ the word of God is there already and we just dont know it or we have to remenber it. At any rate sister you have started out well and have some good thoughts dont let other mens ideas take the truth from you. I read Jacobs site and can tell you that on many points he comes right out and says that the bible is not even true and most dont even question him. I see on reincarnation you at least had the sense to say hey wait a minute. Believe me there is a lot more then that on that site that is way off. Think about it Paul made a point that believers and unbelievers were a diffrent class of people old things have passed away and all has been made new.
    This is a lot more then you and i being sons it is about the true son being formed in us and no murderer has the son of God in them in any form.

  4. Christine says:

    Dave, So you don’t believe that Christ is the light that lights every man that comes into this world, as the scriptures say? But that that light/life is HID ~until~ Christ is formed in us? I did not claim that everyone has eternal life, Dave. Most die in their sins never knowing God or Jesus Christ. I think you are misunderstanding what I have said. Jesus Christ is Lord both of THE LIVING and THE DEAD. We live unto Him or we die unto Him. So whether we live or die we are the Lords. It was for this very purpose that Christ both died and rose and revived. That is scripture.

    As far as Jacob and others are concerned, I do not agree with everything that Jacob writes. Nor do I agree completely with Mike or Ray (they do not even agree with each other and had a huge falling out a few years ago). I was blacklisted by both of them because I dared ask questions about some of the very things that you have said you were in agreement with, prior to this last post. The fact that I might not agree with “everything” that someone else believes doesn’t mean that I have to cast them aside (as they do), which is exactly what this blog is about actually. (Not “them” but that subject.)

    If I had to agree with everything someone else believed in order to recommend them or fellowship with them, who could I fellowship with? It is God who gives us the eyes to see and the ears to hear. It is God who makes the lame walk and who raised the dead. And none can be taken out of His hands. Certainly we can trust Him to teach us and lead us without casting everyone who “disagrees” with us out of the body. No?

    It could very well be “us” who is wrong. When we forget “that”, I think we are treading on very dangerous ground. No?

    All Blessings in Christ, who IS the resurrection and the life. Apart from Him we can do nothing!

    Christine

  5. Christine says:

    Dave, one more thought/question. Do you not believe that God has to separate the light from the darkness, the day from the night? And that, in order to do that, He has to command the light to shine out of darkness?

  6. David Larsen says:

    Hey Christine
    Yes i believe your above statement. What it really gets down to is the fact that we are reborn and the Spirit of God His son the Christ comes and makes his home in us.
    That is what makes us diffrent and i believe makes you diffrent sister. It is not who we are it is who is in us. Which is one of the things Mike and i just could not come into agreemant about. In fact the fact that you have been black listed makes me believe that you most likley are the real thing and others will try to make you believe that some how you had it all along because we all do. Christ needs to come to the new man the same way the Spirit came to Jesus at the jordan and God then said this is my son. Before that he had done no mircles and had no problem with other men. And as we was so will we be for the same reason. When we are indwelt by the Christ of God we will be treated in the same way Jesus was for the same reason. Many are growing in this and others will try to tell them that something is wrong with them so they will throw it down. Most that i have talked with that say they know these things are in sin and do all kind of kooky things and say that is alright because Christ is in all men and all sin you know. I say liar liar pants on fire. I use to be in sin and seperate from God but now in Christ these things should not be. There is a growing that we do but it should not take years. The abiding presense of Christ came to set men free and He is still doing that. When the bible says the word of God is real and alive it is not talking about words on paper. This living word shoud be the source of light for all men but there are so few who will believe and recieve. I do not believe you are on the wide road Christine i believe you are on the narrow one that few will find. And no i throw none away but know few who will abide in the light that is Christ in us the only hope of glory.
    Typing is not my strong point much can be lost or misunderstood trying to talk this way.
    A phone call would be much more help full.

  7. Christine says:

    Hi Again Dave. If Christ is the light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world, then how can Christ not be in all men? The problem is that that life/light is hid; it’s not shining, as we are walking in darkness having “crucified” Christ (the truth) in our hearts and our minds. And because he is “dead” there is “no life” in us. And it is not until God separates the light from the darkness by commanding the light to shine out of darkness (by which the darkness is consumed and the light’/life is made manifest) that Christ begins to be formed in us, whereby “the sons of God” can be made manifest (by the Son of God who is made manifest in them).

    Even when we “first believe” (and are sealed by the holy spirit of promise) we are “yet carnal”. But He is the day star that begins to dawn in the hearts of those who believe, resurrecting them from the dead as they pass from death unto life. Then we must decrease so that He can increase. We have to “grow” into the head, who is Christ. But not all will “go on unto perfection” by having Christ formed in them, receiving “the adoption of Sons”. Does that mean that Christ is not in them, when no one can even say that Jesus is Lord but by the Holy Spirit? He is, but “babes” (though sealed) are “yet carnal” and “a child” is not “a son” (a child is born, a son is given!).

    One of the first things that I began to question about Mike and Ray’s teachings was their stand on “the earnest of the spirit”. They taught that as sons we have only “the earnest of the spirit” and that is the most that any of us will ever have in this life. Mike would quote 1 John 3:2 where (in the KJV) it says: “now are we the sons of God…” But that is NOT what it says. The word in that verse is not “uihos” (son) but “teknon” (child). And Paul tells us that “a child differs nothing from a servant”. We have to be “delivered of the child”, just as Paul was, just as Jesus told his disciples they would have to be. Until then we are “yet carnal” and we know that “to be carnally minded is death”. As I have said and you have agreed, Christ in you is the hope of glory. And it is not until He (who is our life) APPEARS that we shall APPEAR WITH HIM, in glory.

    To some of the other things that you said, nowhere are we told that it is ok to turn the grace of God into an excuse to sin. The fact that “were sin abounds, grace much more abounds” is not an excuse to turn the grace of God into lasciviousness. That being said, we are also told to compare spiritual things with spiritual, as we look upon those things which are not seen, which are eternal (rather than those things that are seen, which are temporal). God clearly speaks in parable and allegories. Some are explained and some are not. Paul speaks of Sarah and Hagar as an allegory. He speaks of Adam and Eve (and the husband/wife relationship) in relation to Christ and the church. Many ministers today preach about the “wilderness experience” of believers as they journey toward the promised land. They can see the difference between Ishmael (the first born, according to the flesh) and Isaac (the second born, according to promise). They can see the same connection between Cain (a tiller of the ground) and Abel (a shepherd of the sheep). But how many see Mary as a similitude? You say that if Christ is in all of us then there was no need for Christ to be born of a virgin, etc. But is it not through that which IS SEEN that we are able to see that which IS NOT SEEN? From the very foundation of the world and the creation of the heavens and the earth, to Adam and Eve, to Cain and Able (and Seth), to Ishmael and Isaac, Esau and Jacob, Joseph and his brothers, the law and the offerings… even the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, the Word of God? Are not all of those things that “are seen” a pattern of things “in heaven”, revealing spiritual truths that are “not seen” with physical eyes, but given to be “an example” to us?

    You mention Jesus’ baptism and the fact that he went to the Jordan to be baptized and the Father declared Jesus His Son? Do you believe that this is when Jesus became the Son of God and that He was not always the Son of God? Though the Father said “today I have begotten thee”, Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit, as the only begotten Son of God, even from His conception. We need to hear what the spirit is saying to the churches and understand what “today” means. If we don’t understand that we will never understand the promise that Christ made to the thief on the cross, which was crucified with him, when he said; “today shalt thou be with me in paradise”.

    If you would like to send me your number I will call you. Or I can forward my number to you. Let me know. A link to my email is provided to the right, near the top of the page.

    Blessings,
    Christine

  8. David Larsen says:

    Hey Christine
    I sent you my number to much to say to write.
    Dave

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